US Bayonet ID Help

Patsy57 · 12th October 2010, 07:22 PM

If anyone could tell me anything about this bayonet it would be greatly appreciated.

celtan · 16th October 2010, 10:22 PM

US Model 1905 E1 - Variant, manufactured 1942-43 by United Cutlery Co.

whistlinbill · 17th October 2010, 10:56 AM

This first bayonet started life as a Model 1942 US bayonet with a 16" blade. It fits a 1903 Springfield or M-1 Garand. In late 1942 it was decided to cut the blades down to 10" long--some were cut with a spear point, others with a sort of "butcher knife" point, like this specimen, and others with a clip point. They are illustrated in: Cole, Book III, p32, Janzen p225, #2. The second bayonet is an Imperial German, Model 1898/05. It fits a Model 98 Mauser rifle. Collectors call this one a "butcher knife"; it is illustrated in Janzen, p.86 #1.

celtan · 17th October 2010, 03:57 PM

"Butcher Blade".

There were also serrated daggers. The sawback Bayos came both short and long. In fact, I have a long one FS on EB right now. The most visually impacting are the Swiss M1911s.

Regarding the US Model 1905 E1 - Variant: Even though these US Bayonets were officially classified as M1905 s, the shortened variant was marked 1942-43 in its ricasso, and the tip became _wedge_ shaped, with the open fuller extending to the very tip. (Kiesling Vol. 3 #539). Very different to the "Butcher Blade", which is more lance-like, with a 'closed"fuller.

BTW: would you know if the US Model 1905 also fitted Krags? That's where they started, trying to make existing Krag Bayos fit any new rifles.

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Originally Posted by whistlinbill

This first bayonet started life as a Model 1942 US bayonet with a 16" blade. It fits a 1903 Springfield or M-1 Garand. In late 1942 it was decided to cut the blades down to 10" long--some were cut with a spear point, others with a sort of "butcher knife" point, like this specimen, and others with a clip point. They are illustrated in: Cole, Book III, p32, Janzen p225, #2. The second bayonet is an Imperial German, Model 1898/05. It fits a Model 98 Mauser rifle. Collectors call this one a "butcher knife"; it is illustrated in Janzen, p.86 #1.

Vaarok · 19th October 2010, 06:52 AM

Not United Cutlery, Utica Cutlery. I drive past the factory at least once a week, the Mohawk Valley of Central NY state was ground zero for production of pointy stuff in WW2.

The other major manufacturer, OL, was Oneida Limited, about thirty minutes west of Utica, Camillus and Union Fork and Hoe were just outside of Syracuse, etc...

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12th October 2010, 07:22 PM	#1
Patsy57 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	US Bayonet ID Help If anyone could tell me anything about this bayonet it would be greatly appreciated. Last edited by Patsy57; 12th October 2010 at 08:01 PM.

16th October 2010, 10:22 PM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	US Model 1905 E1 - Variant, manufactured 1942-43 by United Cutlery Co.

17th October 2010, 10:56 AM	#3
whistlinbill Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 24	This first bayonet started life as a Model 1942 US bayonet with a 16" blade. It fits a 1903 Springfield or M-1 Garand. In late 1942 it was decided to cut the blades down to 10" long--some were cut with a spear point, others with a sort of "butcher knife" point, like this specimen, and others with a clip point. They are illustrated in: Cole, Book III, p32, Janzen p225, #2. The second bayonet is an Imperial German, Model 1898/05. It fits a Model 98 Mauser rifle. Collectors call this one a "butcher knife"; it is illustrated in Janzen, p.86 #1.

19th October 2010, 06:52 AM	#5
Vaarok Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 28	Not United Cutlery, Utica Cutlery. I drive past the factory at least once a week, the Mohawk Valley of Central NY state was ground zero for production of pointy stuff in WW2. The other major manufacturer, OL, was Oneida Limited, about thirty minutes west of Utica, Camillus and Union Fork and Hoe were just outside of Syracuse, etc...