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My new addition.
In A. Van Z's book, page 51, he states that it's of European origin and made of brass. My example seems to be made of copper with brass trimmings. Were these made in Europe or is this a copy of Euro helmets. The previous owner obtained it 25 yrs., ago with a Moro horn armor. Was this helmet procured by a Moro thru a trade with someone from Sulawesi or did someone from Sulawesi get the armor from a Moro. Did not get the armor, long gone. Your thoughts? |
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This does look Moro - notice the 3 little holders at the front of the helmet to hold flora. Perhaps Moro adapted of not made?
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IT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING MADE FOR WEAR IN PROCESSIONS ALONG WITH THE ARMOR ,WEAPONS ECT. THE OTHER POSSIBILITY WOULD BE MADE FOR USE IN A MOVIE. IT IS DEFINITELY NOT A REAL SPANISH HELMET MADE FOR WAR AND CAPTURED BY THE MORO IN BATTLE. A REAL ONE WOULD BE MADE OF HEAVY STEEL NOT COPPER OR BRASS , I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME PROCESSIONS OR CELEBRATIONS IN THE PHILIPPINES WHERE SUCH ITEMS WOULD BE USED AS THE OCCUPATION AND WARS WITH SPAIN WAS PART OF THEIR HISTORY. PERHAPS SOME OF OUR PHILIPPINE MEMBERS CAN GIVE MORE INFORMED INFORMATION.
IF IT IS INDEED ONE THAT WAS USED IN SUCH PROCESSIONS AND EVENTS IT WOULD BE RARE BUT NOT AS RARE AS A OLD HELMET CAPTURED IN BATTLE FROM THE SPANISH. ETHINOGRAPHIC AND A NICE ITEM EITHER WAY ![]() |
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I have had a little chance to do some searching. I don't think this is Moro. The Moro helmets are of a different shape. See photos.
Vandoo, I don't think that this was made for processions. It's too well made. It has a lot of detail work. I have seen some procession helmets in the Philippines. Back then they were made of tin. Could this be a Dutch helmet or a copy of?? |
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I remember Arjan had a moluccan helmet for sale on his website not long ago.
(if the Moluccans got those helmets from the Dutch??....I think so but am not for sure, it is out of my field). Anyway, as far as I can remember it looked the same in my mind as this one, and worth to search in that direction also to find the origin of the helmet. |
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As far as the helmet, I don't think it is quite Moro either, though it has a strong resemblance. It does not have the detail that I have seen on early Moro helmets that were made for Moro use.
BTW the armor looks a bit familiar.... |
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