an firanghi sword ( an dream??)

dralin23 · 14th September 2008, 04:09 PM

i found these realy beautifull sword by my search in the www.
maybe someone would like tell more over these sword.
i beginn with the descr...
"Museum Quality India Firangi
18th c Firangi, most likely made for Royalty. Finest quality sword I've ever had the privelage to hold. Thick gold koftgari floral decoration over the entire hilt. Exceptional condition for it's age. Only small losses of koftgari. (shown in photos) Unmarked blade is still extremely sharp. Padding appears to have been replaced during the mid-late 19th century. Grip wire appears to be a mixture of silver and senew and is original to the sword. A similiar item was sold at auction for $40,000. Blade is 34.75 inches long."

ariel · 14th September 2008, 05:54 PM

My paranoia is in full swing: only the very tip of the pommel's projection shows minimal losses to the koftgari. The rest is pristine, including the color-matched padding. The blade was extensively cleaned( good job!) even within the curlicues of the retaining plate. Again, nary a scratch on the koftgari. And the rivet is kind of crude....A suspicious person could imagine that the old blade was cleaned first and then "married" to the newly-decorated handle or that the koftgari was done on a previously plain handle.
OK, perhaps it is 18th century! Must have been stored in a temperature and humidity-controlled environment: a usual practice of the Indian arsenals

Bill M · 15th September 2008, 12:04 AM

I agree with Ariel. The handle just looks too good. Too unworn. Old blade and recent handle.

$12,500?

sandeepsingh · 15th September 2008, 08:17 AM

Hi Guys,

In my opinion the handle is not 'recent' , the koftgari design resembles a mughal design.

Intact condition doesn't means it is recent.

Sandeep

ariel · 15th September 2008, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeepsingh

Hi Guys,

In my opinion the handle is not 'recent' , the koftgari design resembles a mughal design.

Intact condition doesn't means it is recent.

Sandeep

Dear Sandeeep,
I value your opinion since you are selling quite a lot of newly-made Indian swords and newly-decorated handles.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4278
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6596
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5749
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3650
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3231
Is the Firanghi in question yours, by chance?

Bill M · 15th September 2008, 05:06 PM

Riposte!

Hope this stays gentlemanly!

14th September 2008, 04:09 PM	#1
dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194	an firanghi sword ( an dream??) i found these realy beautifull sword by my search in the www. maybe someone would like tell more over these sword. i beginn with the descr... "Museum Quality India Firangi 18th c Firangi, most likely made for Royalty. Finest quality sword I've ever had the privelage to hold. Thick gold koftgari floral decoration over the entire hilt. Exceptional condition for it's age. Only small losses of koftgari. (shown in photos) Unmarked blade is still extremely sharp. Padding appears to have been replaced during the mid-late 19th century. Grip wire appears to be a mixture of silver and senew and is original to the sword. A similiar item was sold at auction for $40,000. Blade is 34.75 inches long." Attached Images

14th September 2008, 05:54 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	My paranoia is in full swing: only the very tip of the pommel's projection shows minimal losses to the koftgari. The rest is pristine, including the color-matched padding. The blade was extensively cleaned( good job!) even within the curlicues of the retaining plate. Again, nary a scratch on the koftgari. And the rivet is kind of crude....A suspicious person could imagine that the old blade was cleaned first and then "married" to the newly-decorated handle or that the koftgari was done on a previously plain handle. OK, perhaps it is 18th century! Must have been stored in a temperature and humidity-controlled environment: a usual practice of the Indian arsenals

15th September 2008, 12:04 AM	#3
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I agree with Ariel. The handle just looks too good. Too unworn. Old blade and recent handle. $12,500?

15th September 2008, 08:17 AM	#4
sandeepsingh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: India Posts: 85	Hi Guys, In my opinion the handle is not 'recent' , the koftgari design resembles a mughal design. Intact condition doesn't means it is recent. Sandeep

15th September 2008, 05:06 PM	#6
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Riposte! Hope this stays gentlemanly!