What Have We Here

Rick · 4th May 2005, 03:10 AM

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tom hyle · 4th May 2005, 12:27 PM

Maybe Tibetan or Persian. The pommel reminds me of Persian ones, and the flowers/foliage do not look Tibetan to me, but the guard area? Kinzhalesque? Quick surface thoughts.....whatever it is, I've seen one before....

RSWORD · 4th May 2005, 12:29 PM

I am away from my references at the moment but my best guess at this time is that this is an Arab sword, possibly from Oman.

tom hyle · 4th May 2005, 12:47 PM

You may be right; what I'm grasping for with the lidsheath/guard may be a similarity to the lidsheath/ferule/guard on jambiya. In fact, now that you say Arab, I think you are probably right. I've definitely seen this very form before, I may have a picture in a book, but my books are in my car, I'm nude, and it's raining.....

Conogre · 4th May 2005, 04:12 PM

The style is almost indo-persian, with both arabic and Indian influences, with the foliage favoring the former.
At a glance the impression was oriental, but looking closer quickly dispells that.
SWEET find and subtely different than most I've seen.
Mike

tom hyle · 5th May 2005, 01:34 AM

Swords and Hilt Weapons by North, Coe, Connolly, et al. Page 141 an extremely similar sword, unfortuneately IDd only as one of a "Group of Turkish and Persian swords and daggers with silver mounts and blades inlaid with gold, sixteenth-eighteenth century." A less similar but still similar sword is on page 139, IDd as Hispano-Mooresque c. 1500.....

Rick · 5th May 2005, 01:41 AM

Good eye Tom .
Just looked at the example in Swords and Hilt Weapons ; a much nicer example . Makes me wonder if our example is a 'decorative' piece from a later era.

4th May 2005, 03:10 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,333	What Have We Here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...528194733&rd=1

5th May 2005, 01:41 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,333	Ahh , Yes Good eye Tom . Just looked at the example in Swords and Hilt Weapons ; a much nicer example . Makes me wonder if our example is a 'decorative' piece from a later era.

4th May 2005, 12:27 PM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Maybe Tibetan or Persian. The pommel reminds me of Persian ones, and the flowers/foliage do not look Tibetan to me, but the guard area? Kinzhalesque? Quick surface thoughts.....whatever it is, I've seen one before....

4th May 2005, 12:29 PM	#3
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,086	I am away from my references at the moment but my best guess at this time is that this is an Arab sword, possibly from Oman.

4th May 2005, 12:47 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	You may be right; what I'm grasping for with the lidsheath/guard may be a similarity to the lidsheath/ferule/guard on jambiya. In fact, now that you say Arab, I think you are probably right. I've definitely seen this very form before, I may have a picture in a book, but my books are in my car, I'm nude, and it's raining.....

4th May 2005, 04:12 PM	#5
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	The style is almost indo-persian, with both arabic and Indian influences, with the foliage favoring the former. At a glance the impression was oriental, but looking closer quickly dispells that. SWEET find and subtely different than most I've seen. Mike

5th May 2005, 01:34 AM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Swords and Hilt Weapons by North, Coe, Connolly, et al. Page 141 an extremely similar sword, unfortuneately IDd only as one of a "Group of Turkish and Persian swords and daggers with silver mounts and blades inlaid with gold, sixteenth-eighteenth century." A less similar but still similar sword is on page 139, IDd as Hispano-Mooresque c. 1500.....