Shabria Dagger

Aurangzeb · 30th March 2005, 01:33 AM

Greetings To All !

Depicted are several photographs of a recent acquisition, what was described as an approximately 100 year old Saudi Arabian shabria. I purchased it from a gentleman in Bat Dam Gush Dan, Israel.
After much research I suspect it may be either Jordanian or Palestinian, possibly from the 1930's or 40's. It appears to be definitly not a 'tourist piece'. The belt loop was my repair work. The blade is of very good quality, strong steel. The back of the sheath, the throat and back of the handle were constructed of what appears to be a discarded 'tin can'. The blade is held very firmly in place by horn. The front appears to be highly polished tin since it possesses magnetic attributes. The background is an original Saudi Arabian flag hand carried back from the first Gulf War flanked by 10 Halala and 4 Ghirsh coins. As always all comments and ideas are most welcomed and appreciated ! Thanks to all of you who have provided extremely detailed and interesting information regarding some of my previous posts !

Best regards,
Mark....

TVV · 30th March 2005, 02:59 AM

I personally cannot help you much, but here is a link on this topic in the old forums: http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001713.html
Unfortunately the pictures are gone, but the text is still there.
Regards,
Teodor

Aurangzeb · 30th March 2005, 03:36 AM

Hi Teodor!

Thanks,that helped a little.Of course any and all help is welcome!

I have collected shabria's for a short while,( they wewre one of the first Islamic weapons I have ever had.)I'm now up to three.Thanks again for the help.

Bye

Tim Simmons · 30th March 2005, 08:16 PM

They come out with it

The best one I heard ,when a chap trying to sell a badly cast Indian tourist market brass canon about 40 cm long,"it was the Maharajas signaling canon" this was at a militaria fare in the UK.Tim

Conogre · 30th March 2005, 08:29 PM

I'm still battling with the search from the old forum but Artzi posted a photo with about a dozen or so, showing the evolution form the older knives with a thinner blade to the newer ones that are much thicker and a pretty good commentary on them as well.
I also currently have three, one of each of the styles as they evolved and they are sweet little knives.
Mike

TVV · 31st March 2005, 12:44 AM

Conogre, I believe you are referring to the topic, to which I posted a link. In it, Artzi had put a picture of 10 shabrias, but after some changes to his website, the picture currently appears to be gone. This is too bad, as a few of them were really nice examples.

Aurangzeb · 31st March 2005, 02:11 AM

Hi Tim!

That is the Funniest story I have ever heard

! I have heard some pretty bad stories some sellers make up abouta item,but this by far takes the cake

...Considering brass is a terrible gun making material(To soft of a metal.).

Bye

Aurangzeb · 1st April 2005, 12:25 AM

Hi All!

Thanks for the help so far.The thing I am really concerned withis that:

A.) Is my estimation of it's age correct or not.(1930's or 1940's)
B.) Is my guess at it's provence of origen correct or not.(Palestine)

Thanks again for the help so far!

30th March 2005, 01:33 AM	#1
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Shabria Dagger Greetings To All ! Depicted are several photographs of a recent acquisition, what was described as an approximately 100 year old Saudi Arabian shabria. I purchased it from a gentleman in Bat Dam Gush Dan, Israel. After much research I suspect it may be either Jordanian or Palestinian, possibly from the 1930's or 40's. It appears to be definitly not a 'tourist piece'. The belt loop was my repair work. The blade is of very good quality, strong steel. The back of the sheath, the throat and back of the handle were constructed of what appears to be a discarded 'tin can'. The blade is held very firmly in place by horn. The front appears to be highly polished tin since it possesses magnetic attributes. The background is an original Saudi Arabian flag hand carried back from the first Gulf War flanked by 10 Halala and 4 Ghirsh coins. As always all comments and ideas are most welcomed and appreciated ! Thanks to all of you who have provided extremely detailed and interesting information regarding some of my previous posts ! Best regards, Mark.... Attached Images Last edited by Aurangzeb; 30th March 2005 at 01:35 AM. Reason: Typo

30th March 2005, 03:36 AM	#3
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	thanks Hi Teodor! Thanks,that helped a little.Of course any and all help is welcome! I have collected shabria's for a short while,( they wewre one of the first Islamic weapons I have ever had.)I'm now up to three.Thanks again for the help. Bye

31st March 2005, 02:11 AM	#7
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Ha ha! Hi Tim! That is the Funniest story I have ever heard ! I have heard some pretty bad stories some sellers make up abouta item,but this by far takes the cake ...Considering brass is a terrible gun making material(To soft of a metal.). Bye Last edited by Aurangzeb; 31st March 2005 at 02:12 AM. Reason: Typo

30th March 2005, 02:59 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,624	I personally cannot help you much, but here is a link on this topic in the old forums: http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001713.html Unfortunately the pictures are gone, but the text is still there. Regards, Teodor

30th March 2005, 08:16 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	They come out with it The best one I heard ,when a chap trying to sell a badly cast Indian tourist market brass canon about 40 cm long,"it was the Maharajas signaling canon" this was at a militaria fare in the UK.Tim

30th March 2005, 08:29 PM	#5
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	I'm still battling with the search from the old forum but Artzi posted a photo with about a dozen or so, showing the evolution form the older knives with a thinner blade to the newer ones that are much thicker and a pretty good commentary on them as well. I also currently have three, one of each of the styles as they evolved and they are sweet little knives. Mike

31st March 2005, 12:44 AM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,624	Conogre, I believe you are referring to the topic, to which I posted a link. In it, Artzi had put a picture of 10 shabrias, but after some changes to his website, the picture currently appears to be gone. This is too bad, as a few of them were really nice examples.

1st April 2005, 12:25 AM	#8
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi All! Thanks for the help so far.The thing I am really concerned withis that: A.) Is my estimation of it's age correct or not.(1930's or 1940's) B.) Is my guess at it's provence of origen correct or not.(Palestine) Thanks again for the help so far!