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During my last trip I picked up this piece at my favorite haunt - Chat tu Chak market in Bangkok (section 1 if you'd like to check them out Puff). The dealer had several that he claimed were Vietnamese swords from a dig in Bayang, Ta Keo Province, Cambodia. I did check this out on the map and there is an old ruin in Ta Keo province called Bayang along the cambodian/Vietnamese border. The largest sword had much the same segmented handle style, although in most the segments went right to the guard whereas this one is belled out at the guard. All were either brass or silver (had to scratch through the corrosion to tell and all were corroded, locked, into the scabbard save one. The scabbards were entirely covered with multiple thin bands of silver (some that broke at the touch). The one blade that was out of the scabbard was so corroded that the only thing identifiable was the profile. A profile that held the same curve as a Dha but tapered slowly from hilt to point with no belly swell.
Obviously I'm describing these because I forgot my camera that day. The one below was in the best shape and was the only one whose scabbard wasn't completely covered with brass or silver. All comments are appreciated as well as advise on whether I dare to try and clean and open it. Dan |
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Hi Dan. Good to hear from you.
![]() That's a pretty cool sword. I'm always extremely skeptical of "excavated" swords. Both Mark and I have a number of heavily corroded swords, all of them suspiciously similar. Your example, however, seems different, and your description of the others is very exciting. I have one example with a lotus bulb pommel and petal/leaf detailing at the ferrule nearly identical to yours. These features seem Thai to me, Ayutthaya period. Let's see what the others have to say. |
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Good to be back where I have some connectivity again.
The features seemed Thai to me also (especially the bell), but Thai swords don't have the small round guard and all of these had it invarying sizes. I have seen this on swords claiming to come from Laos and Cambobia, but had thought Vietmanese were more of a Chinese variant. All the others had the same even segmenting on the handle and none of them had any kind of pommel (appeared to have been made that way). The largest had about a 35% bend the last third of the handle (much like a Pira). Another distinct trait was that all the scabbards, save the one I puchased, tapered to the point also, definately not a trait I've seen in Thai or Burmese. Really wish I'd have brought the camera that day. Dan |
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A good example of Vietnamese 's sword 's "Pra-Seang-Dahb-Viet", a diplomatic item from Vietnamese 's ruler during king Rama 1st era (early 19th cent). The blade 's 4th one from the top.
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By the way, does your lotus ferrule have 12 petals ?
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Andrew, yours is extremely similiar in the design work, I wonder if that is typical of the period of the locale.
Puff mine has 15 petals at the ferrule and like Andrew I'm interested to know the signifigance. Deng |
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My sword has 12 petals.
![]() The wire work is silver and copper, and the handle has been repaired. Given the short length and appearance of the repair, it's almost surely been shortened. Not sure what the metal sheeting on the handle is made of. Could be silver. ![]() |
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