What is this?

Yannis · 28th February 2005, 09:41 AM

What is this?????

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6511250837

It looks european, neoclassic, (19th century?). Cast bronze hilt and scabbard. The blade looks very good. Why the back side is like this?

tom hyle · 28th February 2005, 10:32 AM

It's a nice looking blade, with a not very practical looking mounting.
No direct view from the end, but it looks like there might be a peined tang end. The flat back might go against a wall, but it seems to have no hanging device. It might go on a desk, for a letter opener. The strange thing about the flat back is that the ball at the tip seems to "rise" above its surface, which would make it hard to lay it flat against a surface.

wolviex · 28th February 2005, 02:03 PM

Yes, it seems to be 19th century dagger. In my museum is something similiar - the knife with hilt and scabbard cast of bronze (if I do remember well), but made much better - where the hilt is made with a personification of Otello and his lover. The blade looks good, but it isn't older. I can't remember well, but I think the mentioned knife from my museum has similiar one, trying to imitate 17th century blade.

Conogre · 28th February 2005, 04:08 PM

The shape and markings on the blade as well as the overall shape of the entire knife is suggestive of a Zanzibar sword.
The flat, plain back is also in keeping with such pieces where only the front is patterned.
I'd be tempted to say a paper knife were it not for the blade, which makes me think that it may well be an elaborate dagger in the style of the Zanzibar swords and made to be carried in a frog.
No matter how you look at it, it's an interesting and unusual piece.
Mike

ingelred · 28th February 2005, 04:51 PM

This dagger reminds me of a late 16th/ early 17th century Landsknecht dagger. I have seen these on several pictures in my literature. The blade itself looks somewhat like a blade from a left hand dagger of this period but of much worse quality. I have watched this itam at ebay but since I had my doubts especially when looking at the blade I refused to bid.

ingelred · 28th February 2005, 04:51 PM

This dagger reminds me of a late 16th/ early 17th century German or Swiss Landsknecht dagger. I have seen these on several pictures in my literature. The blade itself looks somewhat like a blade from a left hand dagger of this period but of much worse quality. I have watched this itam at ebay but since I had my doubts especially when looking at the blade I refused to bid.

Rick · 28th February 2005, 10:24 PM

Anyone notice the winner's ebay ID .

28th February 2005, 09:41 AM	#1
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	What is this? What is this????? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6511250837 It looks european, neoclassic, (19th century?). Cast bronze hilt and scabbard. The blade looks very good. Why the back side is like this?

28th February 2005, 10:32 AM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	It's a nice looking blade, with a not very practical looking mounting. No direct view from the end, but it looks like there might be a peined tang end. The flat back might go against a wall, but it seems to have no hanging device. It might go on a desk, for a letter opener. The strange thing about the flat back is that the ball at the tip seems to "rise" above its surface, which would make it hard to lay it flat against a surface.

28th February 2005, 02:03 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Yes, it seems to be 19th century dagger. In my museum is something similiar - the knife with hilt and scabbard cast of bronze (if I do remember well), but made much better - where the hilt is made with a personification of Otello and his lover. The blade looks good, but it isn't older. I can't remember well, but I think the mentioned knife from my museum has similiar one, trying to imitate 17th century blade.

28th February 2005, 04:08 PM	#4
Conogre Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 371	The shape and markings on the blade as well as the overall shape of the entire knife is suggestive of a Zanzibar sword. The flat, plain back is also in keeping with such pieces where only the front is patterned. I'd be tempted to say a paper knife were it not for the blade, which makes me think that it may well be an elaborate dagger in the style of the Zanzibar swords and made to be carried in a frog. No matter how you look at it, it's an interesting and unusual piece. Mike

28th February 2005, 04:51 PM	#5
ingelred Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moenchengladbach, Germany Posts: 62	This dagger reminds me of a late 16th/ early 17th century Landsknecht dagger. I have seen these on several pictures in my literature. The blade itself looks somewhat like a blade from a left hand dagger of this period but of much worse quality. I have watched this itam at ebay but since I had my doubts especially when looking at the blade I refused to bid.

28th February 2005, 10:24 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Anyone notice the winner's ebay ID .