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aspalathos · 3rd December 2022, 02:39 PM

Please need some info . Is it balkan? Looks like shishana but dont think it is..

Battara · 3rd December 2022, 06:38 PM

LOVE the damascus barrel and the MOP inlays. I would say that this looks Ottoman Turkish - not sure about Balkan, but I'll let others correct me.

gp · 3rd December 2022, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

LOVE the damascus barrel and the MOP inlays. I would say that this looks Ottoman Turkish - not sure about Balkan, but I'll let others correct me.

agree with you. I also think Ottoman-Turkish.
Why?
Some typical characteristics:

the tulip like decoration, which is typical Turkish and Ottoman Turkish.
Next to the repetitive decorations in Sufi-like style which you also can find in Turkey and Ottoman Turkey.

Although sufism is well spread in the Balkans, specially Albania and Hercegova and also Bosnia...you do not see this kind of decoration there but rather other repetitive types.
But never exclude the odd exception...

corrado26 · 4th December 2022, 08:22 AM

The tulip decoration is typical for the Ottoman Empire - it was the home of all the tulips we know today. Its lock is very interesting!

David R · 11th December 2022, 04:16 PM

The chunky butt-stock made me think Turkish as well.

cyten · 14th December 2022, 06:49 PM

I've seen this rifle posted somewhere before, I recall the very strange "hammer". I imagine it must be a replacement and appears to be one piece, no way to separate the jaws to replace the flint. My guess is that it was made to replace a missing cock, with some kind of material stuffed in the crevice to allow it to spark for show.
The forend of the stock is strange to me as it is angular, like the butt. The lock also seems rather large and the triggerguard doesn't quite match the style and may be a replacement as well.

I would put this as late 17th / early 18th century Turkish. Elgood's "Arms of Greece & Her Balkan Neighbors in the Ottoman Period" has some similar examples, aside from the hammer/cock of course.

3rd December 2022, 02:39 PM	#1
aspalathos Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 89	Id rifle Please need some info . Is it balkan? Looks like shishana but dont think it is.. Attached Images

3rd December 2022, 06:38 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,170	LOVE the damascus barrel and the MOP inlays. I would say that this looks Ottoman Turkish - not sure about Balkan, but I'll let others correct me.

4th December 2022, 08:22 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,190	The tulip decoration is typical for the Ottoman Empire - it was the home of all the tulips we know today. Its lock is very interesting!

11th December 2022, 04:16 PM	#5
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,059	The chunky butt-stock made me think Turkish as well.

14th December 2022, 06:49 PM	#6
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 92	I've seen this rifle posted somewhere before, I recall the very strange "hammer". I imagine it must be a replacement and appears to be one piece, no way to separate the jaws to replace the flint. My guess is that it was made to replace a missing cock, with some kind of material stuffed in the crevice to allow it to spark for show. The forend of the stock is strange to me as it is angular, like the butt. The lock also seems rather large and the triggerguard doesn't quite match the style and may be a replacement as well. I would put this as late 17th / early 18th century Turkish. Elgood's "Arms of Greece & Her Balkan Neighbors in the Ottoman Period" has some similar examples, aside from the hammer/cock of course.