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Not S & S but S et S. Ought to be French, one might think. But I cannot find a single S et S in Stöckel. S and S is plentiful - in fact, too many to make a plausible identification. Anyway, it was surely not common for British/American gunsmiths to "Frenchify" their company names, although it did sometimes occur with German makers - e.g. the model train makers Märklin Bros. appearing as "Gebrüder Märklin & Cie." (Cie. as abbreviation for Compagnie). And as soon as I try German options, I end up with Sauer & Sohn in Suhl - surely a bit too early for them?
(S&S lock outside-REDUCED) The lock does not have a bridle for the frizzen/hammer. Which suggests early 18. C. So the French-style ring cock is probably a replacement. The overall length is 14.5 cm, which looks like a small rifle/large pistol size. And it has a fly - just visible in the photo of the inside. (S&S lock inside REDUCED) My guess is that it's for a hunting or target rifle. But who was S et S ??? P.S. Software says my photos are too large to upload. Will reduce resolution and retry PPS OK photos reduced and uploaded. Last edited by SchildaBrit; 1st February 2021 at 11:13 PM. Reason: Image resizing |
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This lock- the cock is as already stated a wrong replacement and should be a swanneck cock - is probably or eventually made by the Suhl gunmakers S et S, what I think could stand for Spangenberg & Spangenberg (Johann Gottfried 1722-1795 & Johann Wilhelm 1727-1783). The shape of the lockplate is typical for the first Prussian ordnance rifles introduced in 1744 made at Potsdam and as shows the lock in question perhaps at Suhl too.
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Thanks Corrado for a very interesting suggestion. My photo wasn't very good, as one can't see that the pan is also facetted.
I find dozens of Spangenbergs (or should that be Spangeberge?) in Stöckel, but no mention of a Spangenberg & Spangenberg. Can you give me a source for that? The resemblance to the lock on the Prussian "Jägerbüchse" is striking. And I posed the S et S question some time ago on a French forum, with zero suggestions in response, so it does indeed look as if this is a case of a German firm using a fashionable "upmarket" French style of naming. |
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