New Kilij: need opinions and translation

ariel · 8th May 2006, 09:24 PM

Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus!
One still can find a terminal sleeper on E-bay and get it for a song.
This one just arrived and got a very gentle cleaning. The sword and the scabbard were sold separately, because they "did not fit". Reason #1: the upper fitting on the scabbard was put upside down and, #2: the wood is so dry that it almost crumbles and the leather is also shriveled.
The blade is hand made, provincial manufacture, not damascus and has 2 noticeable nicks on the edge.
There is an almost intact Koftgari inscription on one side (hope it does not say "Made in Taiwan") and I need help translating it. They are photographed in overlapping segments.
My guess it is an Ottoman, but not Turkish, one: the quality of the blade and the koftgari is far too inferior to real Ottoman beauties. Syrian? Egyptian? Iraqi? Perhaps, East Anatolian/Kurdish?
Please help.

ward · 9th May 2006, 03:26 AM

hello would be helpful if script was not upside down
ward

M.carter · 9th May 2006, 11:23 AM

It does look like Syrian to me, especially the scabbard, and the style of the koftegari.

Valjhun · 9th May 2006, 12:07 PM

Further, it is rather a shamshir that a kilij (SenSei forgive me my insolence)

ariel · 9th May 2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valjhun

Further, it is rather a shamshir that a kilij (SenSei forgive me my insolence)

I guess we still should call it Kilij: it is Turkish-influenced and not Persian. The curve is not Shamshir-ish, early Kilijes nad no yelman etc.
Any objections?

ariel · 12th May 2006, 12:01 AM

I am being impolite and putting this thread up on the top: perhaps somebody will pay attention and translate the inscription. Please?

ariel · 9th May 2006, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ward

hello would be helpful if script was not upside down
ward

I always assumed that inscriptions were directed with their basis toward the edge Here it is, is requested direction

8th May 2006, 09:24 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	New Kilij: need opinions and translation Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus! One still can find a terminal sleeper on E-bay and get it for a song. This one just arrived and got a very gentle cleaning. The sword and the scabbard were sold separately, because they "did not fit". Reason #1: the upper fitting on the scabbard was put upside down and, #2: the wood is so dry that it almost crumbles and the leather is also shriveled. The blade is hand made, provincial manufacture, not damascus and has 2 noticeable nicks on the edge. There is an almost intact Koftgari inscription on one side (hope it does not say "Made in Taiwan") and I need help translating it. They are photographed in overlapping segments. My guess it is an Ottoman, but not Turkish, one: the quality of the blade and the koftgari is far too inferior to real Ottoman beauties. Syrian? Egyptian? Iraqi? Perhaps, East Anatolian/Kurdish? Please help. Attached Images

9th May 2006, 03:26 AM	#2
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	hello would be helpful if script was not upside down ward

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M.carter Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 176	It does look like Syrian to me, especially the scabbard, and the style of the koftegari.

9th May 2006, 12:07 PM	#4
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Further, it is rather a shamshir that a kilij (SenSei forgive me my insolence)

12th May 2006, 12:01 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am being impolite and putting this thread up on the top: perhaps somebody will pay attention and translate the inscription. Please?