V short musket, any ideas what it is?

Kmaddock · 2nd April 2017, 09:01 PM

Hi
I recently purchased the attached
Overall 71 cm or 28 inches in total
Barrel 12 inch or 30 cm
Bore of 16 MM or 5 eighths of an inch
Very compact weapon which feels very correct in the hand as a close quarters weapon
The sight is silver and it looks as if the barrel is the original length without been cut down also has silver escutcheon on stock
It was flintlock and was converted to percussion a long time ago, some braise on the lock where holes were filled in during the conversion process.
The hammer is gone and the square where the hammer was attached to the tumbler has shorn off.
I will re build this and thankfully the rest of the mechanism is sound bar the trigger being bent
It has Irish registration number and letters on the barrel KE2546 for Kerry and also same mark on the but stock
I am unable to make out the makers name in the lock.
My question is what would you call this weapon. It is size of blunderbuss but gague is v small for this descriptor. Attached images can be re taken or more taken if needed
Happily has original ram rodand timber solid with just some worm
V heavy chequering on the pistol grip.
My guess is a home defence/ carriage weapon any ideas but I have never seen such an animal before
Kind regards
Ken
Purchased in Ireland with no related story

fernando · 3rd April 2017, 03:40 PM

You could then call it a carbine ... or a 'clavina', if it were in my local early period terms. Still considering that the barrel has its original length, the stock is a bit out of proportion, as too large ... don't you think ?
If you can't discern the maker's mark inside tle plate and you are a collector maniac, you must burn your eyelashes spending some time figuring out what it says

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Kmaddock · 3rd April 2017, 05:03 PM

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If you can't discern the maker's mark inside tle plate and you are a collector maniac, you must burn your eyelashes spending some time figuring out what it says

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I want it to say something and I think I have a name but I don't want to contaminate someone else with what it is in my mind, Have you any name you could make a guess at??

My wife agrees with the name I have come up with but iI think that was more for me to go away and stop annoying her rather than exact agreement!! you know what I mean.

As for size I agree it seems out of proportion but it is a very comfortable size. Maybe a cut down from a long time ago but it was a very long time going by the platina. Also the front of the stock profile matches that this was the original length.

Thanks for your comments
Ken

fernando · 3rd April 2017, 05:21 PM

I know precisely what you mean, ken

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But if you are guessing a lock makers name, just spit it out !
Concerning the length, remember that radical (like military) conversions to percussion were done by cutting the breech and not the barrel end. Stock forends can easily be adjusted without leaving traces.

Kmaddock · 3rd April 2017, 05:35 PM

Hi Fernando
Ok here goes
Mc Dermot
Dublin gun maker 1800's
what do you think thumbs up or down ?
Regards
ken

fernando · 3rd April 2017, 06:46 PM

Your'e the Irish ... not me but, isn't Mc Dermott of Dublin spelt with a duble t, while Mc Dermot from London only has a single t, like in the attached example, in comparison with yours ?

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collec...-object-775573

But i am far from knowing a single bit about this subject; this is just to tease you ... and entice you to ask your wife's opinion

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2nd April 2017, 09:01 PM	#1
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	V short musket, any ideas what it is? Hi I recently purchased the attached Overall 71 cm or 28 inches in total Barrel 12 inch or 30 cm Bore of 16 MM or 5 eighths of an inch Very compact weapon which feels very correct in the hand as a close quarters weapon The sight is silver and it looks as if the barrel is the original length without been cut down also has silver escutcheon on stock It was flintlock and was converted to percussion a long time ago, some braise on the lock where holes were filled in during the conversion process. The hammer is gone and the square where the hammer was attached to the tumbler has shorn off. I will re build this and thankfully the rest of the mechanism is sound bar the trigger being bent It has Irish registration number and letters on the barrel KE2546 for Kerry and also same mark on the but stock I am unable to make out the makers name in the lock. My question is what would you call this weapon. It is size of blunderbuss but gague is v small for this descriptor. Attached images can be re taken or more taken if needed Happily has original ram rodand timber solid with just some worm V heavy chequering on the pistol grip. My guess is a home defence/ carriage weapon any ideas but I have never seen such an animal before Kind regards Ken Purchased in Ireland with no related story Attached Images

3rd April 2017, 05:35 PM	#5
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	Hi Fernando Ok here goes Mc Dermot Dublin gun maker 1800's what do you think thumbs up or down ? Regards ken Attached Images

3rd April 2017, 06:46 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Your'e the Irish ... not me but, isn't Mc Dermott of Dublin spelt with a duble t, while Mc Dermot from London only has a single t, like in the attached example, in comparison with yours ? http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collec...-object-775573 But i am far from knowing a single bit about this subject; this is just to tease you ... and entice you to ask your wife's opinion . . Attached Images

3rd April 2017, 03:40 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	You could then call it a carbine ... or a 'clavina', if it were in my local early period terms. Still considering that the barrel has its original length, the stock is a bit out of proportion, as too large ... don't you think ? If you can't discern the maker's mark inside tle plate and you are a collector maniac, you must burn your eyelashes spending some time figuring out what it says .

3rd April 2017, 05:03 PM	#3
Kmaddock Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Ireland Posts: 543	? If you can't discern the maker's mark inside tle plate and you are a collector maniac, you must burn your eyelashes spending some time figuring out what it says .[/QUOTE] I want it to say something and I think I have a name but I don't want to contaminate someone else with what it is in my mind, Have you any name you could make a guess at?? My wife agrees with the name I have come up with but iI think that was more for me to go away and stop annoying her rather than exact agreement!! you know what I mean. As for size I agree it seems out of proportion but it is a very comfortable size. Maybe a cut down from a long time ago but it was a very long time going by the platina. Also the front of the stock profile matches that this was the original length. Thanks for your comments Ken

3rd April 2017, 05:21 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I know precisely what you mean, ken . But if you are guessing a lock makers name, just spit it out ! Concerning the length, remember that radical (like military) conversions to percussion were done by cutting the breech and not the barrel end. Stock forends can easily be adjusted without leaving traces.