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Old 23rd January 2017, 11:26 AM   #1
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Default Bronze keris ?

in line with pusaka's post here's a bronze keris offered to me by local seller here in Indonesia

Dhapur sinom, with quite nice crisp lines, making me assume the blade is kamardikan era, but the owner said it was Mataram era, and quite old

he said this blade once has certificate from Museum Keris from Taman Mini Indonesia Indah, but now lost

for now I did not have the budget to buy it, so I posted it here for discussion

any opinion is welcome. Enjoy

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Old 23rd January 2017, 11:37 AM   #2
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label reads :

straight keris : bronze
dhapur : sinom
tangguh : mataraman
Rongko : ladrang solo
wood : sono keling
pendhak : slorok kuningan sari
length : 36 cm, peksi 7.5 cm

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Old 23rd January 2017, 05:26 PM   #3
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So Donny, it the seller's story more potent than your own senses and suspicions?
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Old 23rd January 2017, 05:33 PM   #4
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I don't get it?!

What's such a big deal to make a blade of bronze?!

I guess one can make a Keris blade even of aluminium, solid gold, or even plastic but does this automatically make it an authentic and collectable keris?!

Albeit I wouldn't mind collecting kerises made of solid gold.
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Old 23rd January 2017, 06:27 PM   #5
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Interesting blade, it does not look very recent from the pics, you can see the cleaning product deposits left in the cavities. The style is rather PB than Mataram? Twenty years ago the TMII Museum Pusaka used to sell some quite good and certified krisses.
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Old 23rd January 2017, 07:41 PM   #6
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I don't get it?!

What's such a big deal to make a blade of bronze?!

I guess one can make a Keris blade even of aluminium, solid gold, or even plastic but does this automatically make it an authentic and collectable keris?!

Albeit I wouldn't mind collecting kerises made of solid gold.
Actual Marius, old bronze keris are a real thing and may in some ways be more valuable to a collector of keris than one made of solid gold.
The real question here would be is this a legitimate old bronze keris. I have some serious doubts.
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Old 23rd January 2017, 07:59 PM   #7
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Actual Marius, old bronze keris are a real thing and may in some ways be more valuable to a collector of keris than one made of solid gold.
The real question here would be is this a legitimate old bronze keris. I have some serious doubts.
Thank you David for the explanation!

I would still prefer a gold Keris to a bronze one.
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Old 23rd January 2017, 08:02 PM   #8
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Regarding the age of the Keris, my bet is on very recent production by casting.
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Old 24th January 2017, 04:30 AM   #9
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So Donny, it the seller's story more potent than your own senses and suspicions?
nah, I always buy the blade, not the story
but I do have my limitations when it comes to knowledge and experience. That's why I come here


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