Sumpitan for sharing and discussion

Sajen · 29th November 2015, 02:03 PM

Have got some time ago a nice (imho) Dayak sumpitan. The blow pipe show a nice patination overall, it is 169 cm long and still have the scabbard for the spear point.
Would be of great interest for me to read your thoughts about this piece and get a possible age estimation. Thank you in advance.

VANDOO · 29th November 2015, 06:13 PM

IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD OLD EXAMPLE TO ME AND IS INTACT EVEN INCLUDING THE SCABBARD FOR THE SPEAR POINT. THE BLADE AND BLOWPIPE LOOKS OLDER THAN THE FIBER WRAP AND SCABBARD BUT EVEN THE NEWER FIBER LOOKS OLDER THAN WW2. SO I WOULD GUESS ITS BETWEEN 80 TO 100 YEARS OLD. A NICE INTACT EXAMPLE WITH GOOD PATINA.

Sajen · 29th November 2015, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD OLD EXAMPLE TO ME AND IS INTACT EVEN INCLUDING THE SCABBARD FOR THE SPEAR POINT. THE BLADE AND BLOWPIPE LOOKS OLDER THAN THE FIBER WRAP AND SCABBARD BUT EVEN THE NEWER FIBER LOOKS OLDER THAN WW2. SO I WOULD GUESS ITS BETWEEN 80 TO 100 YEARS OLD. A NICE INTACT EXAMPLE WITH GOOD PATINA.

Thank you Barry for your like usual good observations and your age guess.

Regards,
Detlef

asomotif · 29th November 2015, 10:26 PM

Hello Detlef,

the metal parts and the wood show a lot of age.
The rattan binding is very bright coloured so indeed appears to be more recent. But this rattan does show cracks that indicate some age.

The scabbard has a lot of patina, but it is more difficult to judge in this artificial light.

What materinal is the mouthpiece ? metal ? brass ?

Overal a nice piece. 80-100 years seems like a possibe age to me as well.

Best regards,
Willem

Sajen · 29th November 2015, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Detlef,

the metal parts and the wood show a lot of age.
The rattan binding is very bright coloured so indeed appears to be more recent. But this rattan does show cracks that indicate some age.

The scabbard has a lot of patina, but it is more difficult to judge in this artificial light.

What materinal is the mouthpiece ? metal ? brass ?

Overal a nice piece. 80-100 years seems like a possibe age to me as well.

Best regards,
Willem

Hello Willem,

have hoped that you chime in since I know that you own some great sumpitans.

Thank you very much for your educated opinion.
The mouth piece is from brass and shows a good old patination.

Best regards,
Detlef

Maurice · 30th November 2015, 04:57 PM

Hello Detlef,

Nice to see a sumpitan with Original scabbard.
This is pretty rare, as most sumpitans I know have no scabbard.

I also have a sumpitan with scabbard, which I attached some photos for reference.

Kind regards,
Maurice

colin henshaw · 21st March 2018, 07:32 PM

A fine example Detlef, congratulations. The ones I see around usually don't have the sheath and the condition not normally so good as yours.

Regards
Colin

Sajen · 22nd March 2018, 12:52 AM

Thank you Colin!

29th November 2015, 02:03 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Sumpitan for sharing and discussion Have got some time ago a nice (imho) Dayak sumpitan. The blow pipe show a nice patination overall, it is 169 cm long and still have the scabbard for the spear point. Would be of great interest for me to read your thoughts about this piece and get a possible age estimation. Thank you in advance. Attached Images

30th November 2015, 04:57 PM	#6
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,346	Hello Detlef, Nice to see a sumpitan with Original scabbard. This is pretty rare, as most sumpitans I know have no scabbard. I also have a sumpitan with scabbard, which I attached some photos for reference. Kind regards, Maurice Attached Images

29th November 2015, 06:13 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD OLD EXAMPLE TO ME AND IS INTACT EVEN INCLUDING THE SCABBARD FOR THE SPEAR POINT. THE BLADE AND BLOWPIPE LOOKS OLDER THAN THE FIBER WRAP AND SCABBARD BUT EVEN THE NEWER FIBER LOOKS OLDER THAN WW2. SO I WOULD GUESS ITS BETWEEN 80 TO 100 YEARS OLD. A NICE INTACT EXAMPLE WITH GOOD PATINA.

29th November 2015, 10:26 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hello Detlef, the metal parts and the wood show a lot of age. The rattan binding is very bright coloured so indeed appears to be more recent. But this rattan does show cracks that indicate some age. The scabbard has a lot of patina, but it is more difficult to judge in this artificial light. What materinal is the mouthpiece ? metal ? brass ? Overal a nice piece. 80-100 years seems like a possibe age to me as well. Best regards, Willem

21st March 2018, 07:32 PM	#7
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	A fine example Detlef, congratulations. The ones I see around usually don't have the sheath and the condition not normally so good as yours. Regards Colin

22nd March 2018, 12:52 AM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Thank you Colin!