New Interesting Philippine Bolo

Robert · 8th August 2014, 07:53 PM

This is another one of those items that I just could not pass up on after seeing it. Why I do this is beyond my understanding, thankfully it was very reasonably priced. As I have seen bolos with painted hilts before, but even the 9 inch blade on this one has had something (hopefully just more paint) done to it as well. I'm interested in knowing if the paint on the hilt of this should be left "as is"

or removed?

It would be interesting to see what is beneath all that gaudy makeup and see if the hilt is made from horn or wood, but if this was originally meant to be like this (which I surely hope it was not) I do not want to disturb it. As this seems to have a monster hilt with steel ferrule, short tang but not a chisel edged blade (something that would be expected on a Visayan piece) any comments as to where it might originally be from and an estimate of its possible age would be greatly appreciated. Because it has not arrived I can only post the auction photos and they leave a lot to be desired in quality.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 8th August 2014, 08:29 PM

Hello Robert,

very interesting bolo! Have not seen it by ebay, I think that I have to refine my search!

Hard to say if you should remove the paint and even difficult to say if it was done in the Philippines or later in the States.

But I read between your words that you tend to do it, be careful by this.

Where it is from is a balky query as well, I would lean towards the Visayas, not all blades from there has a chisel edged blade, special when the blades in knife/dagger length. You have shown shortly a blade with a similar monster hilt when I remember correct.

The scabbard has a Visayan touch as well. Or Bicol maybe? The scabbard shows a good age and patina, turn of the last century?

Best regards,
Detlef

Robert · 8th August 2014, 10:20 PM

Hello Detlef, Yes if the removal of the paint should prove to be the correct action to take (if this was done after being collected) I would be very happy. I am aware of the possibility that this could prove to be a Visayas knife and for an example I have a gunong with a blade very similar in overall appearance to the one shown here and the other small knife with the monster hilt and chisel edged blade that you have made reference to. Unfortunately neither of those two items had their original scabbards to help with their identification when acquired. I was hoping that someone would recognise the unusual almost staple like metal retainer that helps to hold the two halves of the scabbard of this knife together or the way the part of the scabbard that helps hold this secure to a belt or sash when being worn is carved. In your estimation of the age of this knife I am in full agreement for the same reasons you have already pointed out.

Best,
Robert

VANDOO · 8th August 2014, 11:36 PM

I SUSPECT THE PAINT JOB WAS DONE BY THE OWNER AND THAT HE WAS LIKELY A FILIPINO. WHAT WE CONSIDER GAUDY AND A USE OF TOO BRIGHT OF COLOR THEY OFTEN FIND PRETTY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT TAKE A LOOK AT THE JEEPNEYS AROUND MANILA.

THE PAINT LOOKS TO BE MODERN SO LIKELY WW2 OR LATER. I HAVE SEEN THE PAINTED HANDLES BEFORE ESPECIALLY ON THE TALIBON/ GARAB SMALLER KNIVES. IT IS LIKELY WE DON'T SEE EXAMPLES LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN BECAUSE THE FOREIGNERS ESPECIALLY FROM THE USA & ENGLAND WOULD FIND THE COLORS GARISH AND TACKY. THE SPANISH ON THE OTHER HAND LIKE BRIGHT COLOR BUT PERHAPS NOT ON THEIR KNIVES ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE MODERN TOLEDO SOUVENIR SWORDS AND KNIVES ARE VERY BRIGHT, COLORFUL AND ORNATE. SO ITS UP TO YOU AS WHAT TO DO AND YOU WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHEN YOU HAVE IT IN HAND.

Sajen · 8th August 2014, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

I SUSPECT THE PAINT JOB WAS DONE BY THE OWNER AND THAT HE WAS LIKELY A FILIPINO. WHAT WE CONSIDER GAUDY AND A USE OF TOO BRIGHT OF COLOR THEY OFTEN FIND PRETTY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT TAKE A LOOK AT THE JEEPNEYS AROUND MANILA.

THE PAINT LOOKS TO BE MODERN SO LIKELY WW2 OR LATER. I HAVE SEEN THE PAINTED HANDLES BEFORE ESPECIALLY ON THE TALIBON/ GARAB SMALLER KNIVES. IT IS LIKELY WE DON'T SEE EXAMPLES LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN BECAUSE THE FOREIGNERS ESPECIALLY FROM THE USA & ENGLAND WOULD FIND THE COLORS GARISH AND TACKY. THE SPANISH ON THE OTHER HAND LIKE BRIGHT COLOR BUT PERHAPS NOT ON THEIR KNIVES ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE MODERN TOLEDO SOUVENIR SWORDS AND KNIVES ARE VERY BRIGHT, COLORFUL AND ORNATE. SO ITS UP TO YOU AS WHAT TO DO AND YOU WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHEN YOU HAVE IT IN HAND.

Very very good point Barry!

Robert · 9th August 2014, 01:22 AM

Hello Barry, and thank you for verifying what I had mentioned in the first post that some of the Philippines bolos did have their hilts painted. I've seen some in blues and yellows that I swear would glow in the dark. I am hoping that when this arrives the paint smells really fresh so that I could write it off as newly done as I would then have no qualms about its removal. As for this piece, are you saying that the bolo itself was likely made post WWII or just the paint job and do you have any thoughts as to what region this style of knife might have originated from?

Hello Detlef, Unfortunately with the large amount of wood that has broken or been carved away from the scabbard shown in the link you provided the belt hook could have been in just about any shape imaginable. I know that I have seen this shape of belt hook/retainer on another item before so now the hunt to locate that photo begins.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 8th August 2014, 11:39 PM

Hello Robert,

the staple like iron retainer I've never seen before but I am nearle sure that this dagger scabbard : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ilippine+knife from my collection has had once a very similar belt hook also when it is now carved away maybe because it was broken at one point of it's history. It's not good to seen on my pictures but when you hold it in your hands you would most probable agree that it was of a similar construction.

But it's still a guess.

Regards,
Detlef

8th August 2014, 07:53 PM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	New Interesting Philippine Bolo This is another one of those items that I just could not pass up on after seeing it. Why I do this is beyond my understanding, thankfully it was very reasonably priced. As I have seen bolos with painted hilts before, but even the 9 inch blade on this one has had something (hopefully just more paint) done to it as well. I'm interested in knowing if the paint on the hilt of this should be left "as is" or removed? It would be interesting to see what is beneath all that gaudy makeup and see if the hilt is made from horn or wood, but if this was originally meant to be like this (which I surely hope it was not) I do not want to disturb it. As this seems to have a monster hilt with steel ferrule, short tang but not a chisel edged blade (something that would be expected on a Visayan piece) any comments as to where it might originally be from and an estimate of its possible age would be greatly appreciated. Because it has not arrived I can only post the auction photos and they leave a lot to be desired in quality. Best, Robert Attached Images

9th August 2014, 01:22 AM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Barry, and thank you for verifying what I had mentioned in the first post that some of the Philippines bolos did have their hilts painted. I've seen some in blues and yellows that I swear would glow in the dark. I am hoping that when this arrives the paint smells really fresh so that I could write it off as newly done as I would then have no qualms about its removal. As for this piece, are you saying that the bolo itself was likely made post WWII or just the paint job and do you have any thoughts as to what region this style of knife might have originated from? Hello Detlef, Unfortunately with the large amount of wood that has broken or been carved away from the scabbard shown in the link you provided the belt hook could have been in just about any shape imaginable. I know that I have seen this shape of belt hook/retainer on another item before so now the hunt to locate that photo begins. Best, Robert Last edited by Robert; 9th August 2014 at 01:40 AM.

8th August 2014, 08:29 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,153	Hello Robert, very interesting bolo! Have not seen it by ebay, I think that I have to refine my search! Hard to say if you should remove the paint and even difficult to say if it was done in the Philippines or later in the States. But I read between your words that you tend to do it, be careful by this. Where it is from is a balky query as well, I would lean towards the Visayas, not all blades from there has a chisel edged blade, special when the blades in knife/dagger length. You have shown shortly a blade with a similar monster hilt when I remember correct. The scabbard has a Visayan touch as well. Or Bicol maybe? The scabbard shows a good age and patina, turn of the last century? Best regards, Detlef

8th August 2014, 10:20 PM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, Yes if the removal of the paint should prove to be the correct action to take (if this was done after being collected) I would be very happy. I am aware of the possibility that this could prove to be a Visayas knife and for an example I have a gunong with a blade very similar in overall appearance to the one shown here and the other small knife with the monster hilt and chisel edged blade that you have made reference to. Unfortunately neither of those two items had their original scabbards to help with their identification when acquired. I was hoping that someone would recognise the unusual almost staple like metal retainer that helps to hold the two halves of the scabbard of this knife together or the way the part of the scabbard that helps hold this secure to a belt or sash when being worn is carved. In your estimation of the age of this knife I am in full agreement for the same reasons you have already pointed out. Best, Robert

8th August 2014, 11:36 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I SUSPECT THE PAINT JOB WAS DONE BY THE OWNER AND THAT HE WAS LIKELY A FILIPINO. WHAT WE CONSIDER GAUDY AND A USE OF TOO BRIGHT OF COLOR THEY OFTEN FIND PRETTY. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT TAKE A LOOK AT THE JEEPNEYS AROUND MANILA. THE PAINT LOOKS TO BE MODERN SO LIKELY WW2 OR LATER. I HAVE SEEN THE PAINTED HANDLES BEFORE ESPECIALLY ON THE TALIBON/ GARAB SMALLER KNIVES. IT IS LIKELY WE DON'T SEE EXAMPLES LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN BECAUSE THE FOREIGNERS ESPECIALLY FROM THE USA & ENGLAND WOULD FIND THE COLORS GARISH AND TACKY. THE SPANISH ON THE OTHER HAND LIKE BRIGHT COLOR BUT PERHAPS NOT ON THEIR KNIVES ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE MODERN TOLEDO SOUVENIR SWORDS AND KNIVES ARE VERY BRIGHT, COLORFUL AND ORNATE. SO ITS UP TO YOU AS WHAT TO DO AND YOU WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA WHEN YOU HAVE IT IN HAND.

8th August 2014, 11:39 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,153	Hello Robert, the staple like iron retainer I've never seen before but I am nearle sure that this dagger scabbard : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ilippine+knife from my collection has had once a very similar belt hook also when it is now carved away maybe because it was broken at one point of it's history. It's not good to seen on my pictures but when you hold it in your hands you would most probable agree that it was of a similar construction. But it's still a guess. Regards, Detlef