Sundang and kampilan for comment

drac2k · 1st August 2014, 04:01 PM

I just picked these up a couple of weeks ago at an American Civil War show ; you never can tell what you can find at a show .

VANDOO · 1st August 2014, 05:22 PM

TWO VERY NICE ITEMS BOTH SHOWING A LOT OF AGE AND USE. THE SUDANG HAS A FEW UNIQUE FEATURES THE INSET IVORY AND THE CARVING ON THE BLADE.
THE KAMPILIAN HAS THE SHORTER WELL CARVED STYLE HANDLE WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH EXAMPLES FROM DAYAK PEOPLES AND BORNEO. IT IS A ESPECIALLY NICE ONE NOT NECESSARILY FROM BORNEO AS THE DAYAK RANGED OVER A WIDE AREA AND OFTEN WERE AFFILIATED WITH VARIOUS KINGDOMS AND GROUPS. WHAT IS THE EYE MADE OF A METAL COIN OR JUST WELL CARVED WOOD?
I WISH THEY WERE MINE (COLLECTORS ULTIMATE COMPLEMENT)

CharlesS · 1st August 2014, 08:19 PM

Interesting pieces! The blade of the sundang shows some interesting chiseling at the forte. The hilt appears to be a later replacement....OR ,perhaps, is a Malay version missing some of its rattan bands, as the pommel style seems to correspond more to Malay styles. The style of the scabbard reminds me of Yakan styles(a possible Borneo link).

The instant I saw the kampillan, like Vandoo, I immediately wondered if it might be from Borneo, with that shorter hilt and extensive carvings. But, did Borneo kampillans also have hand guards??? I am not sure.

At first glance I would not be surprised to find that both these pieces came from Borneo.

I am curious what others have to say about them.

mross · 1st August 2014, 08:19 PM

Have you checked the Kris to see if it is a twist core? Looks like a strong possibility.

drac2k · 1st August 2014, 08:31 PM

Thanks for the affirmation guys ; it is always a complement to hear positive reactions from the forum on recent purchases.
The medallion on the handle is carved from wood and I don't believe that the blade is twist core .

Sajen · 2nd August 2014, 12:40 PM

Two beautiful pieces!

The kris has a very unusual blade shape, to bad that the scabbard is in such a bad state.
The mansala at the kampilan can give maybe a hint of the origin of the sword!?

Regards,
Detlef

Arete · 2nd August 2014, 01:26 PM

beautiful kris. The kampilan appears to be for a left handed man.

Gavin Nugent · 2nd August 2014, 01:58 PM

Has anyone picked up on the orientation of the kampy pommel, it is upside down to what is commonly known.

CharlesS · 3rd August 2014, 07:49 PM

Drac2k,

I have sent you a pm.

1st August 2014, 04:01 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,237	Sundang and kampilan for comment I just picked these up a couple of weeks ago at an American Civil War show ; you never can tell what you can find at a show . Attached Images

1st August 2014, 05:22 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TWO VERY NICE ITEMS BOTH SHOWING A LOT OF AGE AND USE. THE SUDANG HAS A FEW UNIQUE FEATURES THE INSET IVORY AND THE CARVING ON THE BLADE. THE KAMPILIAN HAS THE SHORTER WELL CARVED STYLE HANDLE WE HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH EXAMPLES FROM DAYAK PEOPLES AND BORNEO. IT IS A ESPECIALLY NICE ONE NOT NECESSARILY FROM BORNEO AS THE DAYAK RANGED OVER A WIDE AREA AND OFTEN WERE AFFILIATED WITH VARIOUS KINGDOMS AND GROUPS. WHAT IS THE EYE MADE OF A METAL COIN OR JUST WELL CARVED WOOD? I WISH THEY WERE MINE (COLLECTORS ULTIMATE COMPLEMENT)

1st August 2014, 08:19 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Interesting pieces! The blade of the sundang shows some interesting chiseling at the forte. The hilt appears to be a later replacement....OR ,perhaps, is a Malay version missing some of its rattan bands, as the pommel style seems to correspond more to Malay styles. The style of the scabbard reminds me of Yakan styles(a possible Borneo link). The instant I saw the kampillan, like Vandoo, I immediately wondered if it might be from Borneo, with that shorter hilt and extensive carvings. But, did Borneo kampillans also have hand guards??? I am not sure. At first glance I would not be surprised to find that both these pieces came from Borneo. I am curious what others have to say about them.

1st August 2014, 08:19 PM	#4
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Have you checked the Kris to see if it is a twist core? Looks like a strong possibility.

1st August 2014, 08:31 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,237	Thanks for the affirmation guys ; it is always a complement to hear positive reactions from the forum on recent purchases. The medallion on the handle is carved from wood and I don't believe that the blade is twist core .

2nd August 2014, 12:40 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,892	Two beautiful pieces! The kris has a very unusual blade shape, to bad that the scabbard is in such a bad state. The mansala at the kampilan can give maybe a hint of the origin of the sword!? Regards, Detlef

2nd August 2014, 01:26 PM	#7
Arete Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 10	beautiful kris. The kampilan appears to be for a left handed man.

2nd August 2014, 01:58 PM	#8
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Has anyone picked up on the orientation of the kampy pommel, it is upside down to what is commonly known.

3rd August 2014, 07:49 PM	#9
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Drac2k, I have sent you a pm.