ID for this African dagger + sword set

thinreadline · 14th January 2012, 06:54 PM

Again from my heap which I am sorting , is this set. Although the scabbards are really well made the blade ( at least of the dagger ) is very poor quality . I assume these are tourist stuff perhaps from somewhere in Africa, but seek the opinions of members. The short sword is currently stuck fast in the scabbard .. any tips on how to ease it out ?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 14th January 2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thinreadline

Again from my heap which I am sorting , is this set. Although the scabbards are really well made the blade ( at least of the dagger ) is very poor quality . I assume these are tourist stuff perhaps from somewhere in Africa, but seek the opinions of members. The short sword is currently stuck fast in the scabbard .. any tips on how to ease it out ?

Salaams thinredline.. Lovely leather. Nice weapons totally out of my area ... so cannot comment on the tourist idea... Iain will know... Loose it up with a little olive oil I reckon.. that will feed the leather as well. Other leather products on the closed thread on restoration. Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi

katana · 14th January 2012, 07:49 PM

Hi,
unfortunately tourist bring backs .....used to appear on eBay fairly regularly.

Regards David

thinreadline · 14th January 2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by katana

Hi,
unfortunately tourist bring backs .....used to appear on eBay fairly regularly.

Regards David

Ah well , as I thought ... but from where ??
Richmond

Jim McDougall · 14th January 2012, 09:27 PM

The leatherwork looks Manding Richmond, and these are Saharan, though as noted commercial items so produced with Berber and Tuareg concepts along with the reflected motif. I have always thought Manding leatherwork extremely handsomely done so these are pretty attractive. Interesting to see the bulb on the end of the scabbard. On janbiyyas I believe this is termed the 'thum' (=garlic bulb in Arabic) as described in references I have seen.

All the best,
Jim

Dom · 14th January 2012, 11:45 PM

Good evening
this production it's come from North Niger (may be Agadez), from Berber ethnic tribes for instance; Tuareg
if somebody said ... north Mali ... could be also, as per as the Tuareg tribes are split into at least 5 countries
anyway, 20th century craft (good craft)

à +

Dom

thinreadline · 15th January 2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

The leatherwork looks Manding Richmond, and these are Saharan, though as noted commercial items so produced with Berber and Tuareg concepts along with the reflected motif. I have always thought Manding leatherwork extremely handsomely done so these are pretty attractive. Interesting to see the bulb on the end of the scabbard. On janbiyyas I believe this is termed the 'thum' (=garlic bulb in Arabic) as described in references I have seen.

All the best,
Jim

Thanks Jim .. very useful ... like the garlic bulb bit ... appeals to me as a biologist working in horticulture !
Richmond

katana · 15th January 2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thinreadline

Ah well , as I thought ... but from where ??
Richmond

Hi Richmond,
nearly all the ebay listings stated Toureg, these do seem to vary in quality but believe that this type/style is not a copy of a genuine sword form (of the area) but produced purely for the tourist market.

Regards David

thinreadline · 15th January 2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by katana

Hi Richmond,
nearly all the ebay listings stated Toureg, these do seem to vary in quality but believe that this type/style is not a copy of a genuine sword form (of the area) but produced purely for the tourist market.

Regards David

Appreciated David , thanks... of course we in England, for some bizarre reason , dont get to see edged weapons on ebay ! And this is ebay's doing, it has nothing to do with British law ...VERY irritating !

thinreadline · 14th January 2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams thinredline.. Lovely leather. Nice weapons totally out of my area ... so cannot comment on the tourist idea... Iain will know... Loose it up with a little olive oil I reckon.. that will feed the leather as well. Other leather products on the closed thread on restoration. Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi

As always great thanks for your suggestions Ibrahiim
Richmond

14th January 2012, 06:54 PM	#1
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	ID for this African dagger + sword set Again from my heap which I am sorting , is this set. Although the scabbards are really well made the blade ( at least of the dagger ) is very poor quality . I assume these are tourist stuff perhaps from somewhere in Africa, but seek the opinions of members. The short sword is currently stuck fast in the scabbard .. any tips on how to ease it out ? Attached Images

14th January 2012, 07:49 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi, unfortunately tourist bring backs .....used to appear on eBay fairly regularly. Regards David

14th January 2012, 09:27 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,928	The leatherwork looks Manding Richmond, and these are Saharan, though as noted commercial items so produced with Berber and Tuareg concepts along with the reflected motif. I have always thought Manding leatherwork extremely handsomely done so these are pretty attractive. Interesting to see the bulb on the end of the scabbard. On janbiyyas I believe this is termed the 'thum' (=garlic bulb in Arabic) as described in references I have seen. All the best, Jim

14th January 2012, 11:45 PM	#6
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Good evening this production it's come from North Niger (may be Agadez), from Berber ethnic tribes for instance; Tuareg if somebody said ... north Mali ... could be also, as per as the Tuareg tribes are split into at least 5 countries anyway, 20th century craft (good craft) à + Dom