Pistol for Identification

rickystl · 21st May 2011, 07:38 PM

I bought this on my trip to Timonium. I am fairly confident it is Turkish. Do others here agree?
At first glance the lock looks English. But it's not. It was made locally. No markings inside or out. But the stock archetecture, carving, and brass mounts also appear Turkish. I was hoping someone on the Forum could identify the markings on the brass mounts. Thanks for any help. Rick.

rickystl · 21st May 2011, 07:42 PM

Additional photos of pistol.

kahnjar1 · 21st May 2011, 10:22 PM

Hi Rick,
Can you pls post a pic of those marks on the barrel?
Looks a nice piece.
Regards Stuart

RDGAC · 22nd May 2011, 02:08 PM

I'm going to stick my neck out and say Turkish/Ottoman, modernish, for tourists. Just because I want to see if my limited knowledge gets me anywhere even remotely near the mark. Alas, I fear it shall not! Still, it's a beautiful gun; the lock's a bit of a dodgy fit, but if my guess is right that's hardly a surprise. Is the ramrod real or false?

Atlantia · 22nd May 2011, 03:05 PM

I think it looks OK.
I assume it does have a hole from the lock pan to the main charge?
My first thoughts were Turkish, then I thought possibly Afghan.

rickystl · 22nd May 2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

I think it looks OK.
I assume it does have a hole from the lock pan to the main charge?
My first thoughts were Turkish, then I thought possibly Afghan.

That was my thoughts exactly. The stock carvings look Turkish. The pearl inlays make me think Afghan. The brass mounts could be either. Hmmmm.
Rick.

rickystl · 22nd May 2011, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RDGAC

I'm going to stick my neck out and say Turkish/Ottoman, modernish, for tourists. Just because I want to see if my limited knowledge gets me anywhere even remotely near the mark. Alas, I fear it shall not! Still, it's a beautiful gun; the lock's a bit of a dodgy fit, but if my guess is right that's hardly a surprise. Is the ramrod real or false?

No, not a tourist item. The vent hole is drilled at the correct position. I took the lock off. It's definately a local made item. But, it has the correct half and full cock notches. I can tell this gun has been fired. Also, notice the frizzen has been re-soled sometime in the past. This was commonly done after extensive shooting. The ramrod channel is false, as most Turkish pistols. Rick.

RDGAC · 26th May 2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

No, not a tourist item. The vent hole is drilled at the correct position. I took the lock off. It's definately a local made item. But, it has the correct half and full cock notches. I can tell this gun has been fired. Also, notice the frizzen has been re-soled sometime in the past. This was commonly done after extensive shooting. The ramrod channel is false, as most Turkish pistols. Rick.

And I seem to have been totally wrong. Er... huzzah, I suppose! If nothing else, I tried!

rickystl · 22nd May 2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Hi Rick,
Can you pls post a pic of those marks on the barrel?
Looks a nice piece.
Regards Stuart

Here it is. It's really hard to see due to the patina on the barrel. Rick.

kahnjar1 · 23rd May 2011, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rickystl

Here it is. It's really hard to see due to the patina on the barrel. Rick.

If you can improve the contrast on the two large marks I will have a look thru my books to see if I can identify them. Looks like a lion?? and a crown?? but not clear enough for sure identification.
Regards Stuart

rickystl · 23rd May 2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

If you can improve the contrast on the two large marks I will have a look thru my books to see if I can identify them. Looks like a lion?? and a crown?? but not clear enough for sure identification.
Regards Stuart

Thanks Stuart. I'll try to clean up the barrel a bit and get some close-ups. Thanks, Rick.

fernando · 23rd May 2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

If you can improve the contrast on the two large marks I will have a look thru my books to see if I can identify them. Looks like a lion?? and a crown?? but not clear enough for sure identification.
Regards Stuart

Why not just vague decorations to resemble European marks?
We know they do that; like sometimes we see scribbles in lock plates with similar intentions

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21st May 2011, 07:38 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Pistol for Identification I bought this on my trip to Timonium. I am fairly confident it is Turkish. Do others here agree? At first glance the lock looks English. But it's not. It was made locally. No markings inside or out. But the stock archetecture, carving, and brass mounts also appear Turkish. I was hoping someone on the Forum could identify the markings on the brass mounts. Thanks for any help. Rick. Attached Images

21st May 2011, 07:42 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Additional Photos Additional photos of pistol. Attached Images

21st May 2011, 10:22 PM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	Hi Rick, Can you pls post a pic of those marks on the barrel? Looks a nice piece. Regards Stuart

22nd May 2011, 02:08 PM	#4
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	I'm going to stick my neck out and say Turkish/Ottoman, modernish, for tourists. Just because I want to see if my limited knowledge gets me anywhere even remotely near the mark. Alas, I fear it shall not! Still, it's a beautiful gun; the lock's a bit of a dodgy fit, but if my guess is right that's hardly a surprise. Is the ramrod real or false?

22nd May 2011, 03:05 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	I think it looks OK. I assume it does have a hole from the lock pan to the main charge? My first thoughts were Turkish, then I thought possibly Afghan.