Is it a keris and from which island?

[Sajen]

Dear members,

I have the option to buy this keris (?) and have the allowance to post the pictures here. Since it have a seperate gonjo even if it hasn't the overall look like a keris I post it here. The handle is from hippo ivory and the ferrule is from horn. I have never seen something like this and want to ask you if you have. The sheat looks sumatran so I think it's from there or maybe from Borneo.

All comments are very appreciated and welcome,

Detlef

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I have the option to buy this keris (?) and have the allowance to post the pictures here. Since it have a seperate gonjo even if it hasn't the overall look like a keris I post it here.

I would say that it does have the "overall look of a keris". It looks to be a form of keris sepang to me, though the photos aren't clear enough to tell anything for sure. The hilt is quite unusual for a keris though.

[A. G. Maisey]

Based on what I can see in the pics, it looks old, it looks honest, and it looks like a very peculiar thing.

I'd call it a pedang suduk rather than a keris --- in spite of the scabbard.

[David]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Based on what I can see in the pics, it looks old, it looks honest, and it looks like a very peculiar thing.

I'd call it a pedang suduk rather than a keris --- in spite of the scabbard.

hmmm....none of the pedang sudak i have seen have had a gonjo or such a keris-like asymmetric base...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Based on what I can see in the pics, it looks old, it looks honest, and it looks like a very peculiar thing.

I'd call it a pedang suduk rather than a keris --- in spite of the scabbard.

It's peculiar indeed! I am see-saw if it's a keris or not.

[Rick]

A cousin to ?
Transitional form ?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sadop

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sadop

[drdavid]

Maybe if we go back to the old form leads to function arguement, does this have a blumbangan (I cannot tell from the pictures). That is to say can it be held like a keris. If it cannot then we should probably not call it a keris
drd

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Rick

A cousin to ?
Transitional form ?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sadop

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sadop

Now I know why I have had in mind a possible origin from Borneo. But I think that Alan is mostly correct by his statements.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

I would say that it does have the "overall look of a keris". It looks to be a form of keris sepang to me, though the photos aren't clear enough to tell anything for sure. The hilt is quite unusual for a keris though.

Thank you David, sepang have been also my thought but like you see by Alan's post I am not the only one who is unsure if it is a keris. And the handle affiremed me by this. What do you think about the origin?