Bebut sword

carlos · 4th January 2010, 07:44 AM

This is my last adquisition, This bebut sword from Russia. This type of sword aren,y my favourites, but I think the final price was good and finally I decided to bid. When I received sword I put pictures with details.
Thanks
Carlos

http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

ariel · 4th January 2010, 08:56 AM

Better pics of the stamps on the blade and the scabbard would help. Check the leather: old and damaged vs. artificially aged, the blade ( too intact for a WWI weapon?) and the handle ( old wood vs. new staining).
99% of bebuts these days are made in India and China.
Sorry for the jaded view, but the contemporary market is brutal.

TKV · 4th January 2010, 02:49 PM

I think original item. M1907 type I.

ariel · 4th January 2010, 05:19 PM

Hope you are correct, but how can one be sure without decent pics of the stamps? I, for one, cannot read the inscriptions at all.

klewang · 4th January 2010, 05:40 PM

These are military issued? And were weapons like this standard issued with these kind of scabbards?
The scabbard looks a bit like a modified and shortened klewang (the Dutch military ones) version.

regards

TKV · 4th January 2010, 07:06 PM

These were officially issued by Zlatoust (most of them), Izhevsk (bow and arrow mark) and Artinsk russian weapons' factories.

carlos · 24th January 2010, 02:10 PM

Few days ago I have received sword and I think is real bebut sword, not copy,the patiba in handle seems good and marks too.
I wait your opinions.
thanks in advance
carlos

ariel · 24th January 2010, 05:18 PM

Looks OK to me

Tim Simmons · 5th June 2026, 09:42 AM

My latest piece. Not cheap but when compered to the fairly resent massive inflation of really quite ordinary ethnographic pieces, really quite good value. I was never into military stuff as it was always too expensive but these days I think the table has turned.

Now I have this piece in my hand I can see why they are rather sought after. I am gathering a small group of Imperial and Soviet Russian edged weapons and this fits nicely with the two versions of the m1881 {shashka} sabre and the M1927 Shashka. I wonder if I will ever come across the straight bladed military Kindjal which I believe was only in production for the last two years of WW1 and therefore far less common. Do any members have one to show?

All the stampings seem correct and especially nice to have the Moscow? stamping in the leather frog. The scabbard is not leather but a rubber or rubberised resin, resinous lacquer over wood. Lovley clean blade except for a spidery stain at the tip which I cannot remove without being more aggresive to the metal. I have to say that I am happy with but pricey. Ouch!!

The stamp on the leather seems tp be mr БИТКОВЪ, company name ??

Turkoman.khan · 11th June 2026, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

My latest piece. Not cheap but when compered to the fairly resent massive inflation of really quite ordinary ethnographic pieces, really quite good value. I was never into military stuff as it was always too expensive but these days I think the table has turned.

Now I have this piece in my hand I can see why they are rather sought after. I am gathering a small group of Imperial and Soviet Russian edged weapons and this fits nicely with the two versions of the m1881 {shashka} sabre and the M1927 Shashka. I wonder if I will ever come across the straight bladed military Kindjal which I believe was only in production for the last two years of WW1 and therefore far less common. Do any members have one to show?

All the stampings seem correct and especially nice to have the Moscow? stamping in the leather frog. The scabbard is not leather but a rubber or rubberised resin, resinous lacquer over wood. Lovley clean blade except for a spidery stain at the tip which I cannot remove without being more aggresive to the metal. I have to say that I am happy with but pricey. Ouch!!

The stamp on the leather seems tp be mr БИТКОВЪ, company name ??

Hi, Tim.

My friend from Russia sent me this information:

The Cyrillic letters "МГ" (MG) stand for the Russian abbreviation "Magazin haberdasheri". "Битков" (Bitkov) is a surname.

Alexander Alekseevich Bitkov (1871–?) was the owner of a gunsmith shop in Moscow, which supplied goods to, among other things, the Russian Imperial Army. His establishment was one of the largest in Russia in terms of the range of weapons and related goods. He emigrated from Russia in late 1918, amid the revolutionary events and the nationalization of private trade.

Tim Simmons · 11th June 2026, 03:31 PM

That is very cool, thank you.

4th January 2010, 07:44 AM	#1
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	Bebut sword This is my last adquisition, This bebut sword from Russia. This type of sword aren,y my favourites, but I think the final price was good and finally I decided to bid. When I received sword I put pictures with details. Thanks Carlos http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...=STRK:MEWNX:IT Attached Images

24th January 2010, 02:10 PM	#7
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 755	New picture Few days ago I have received sword and I think is real bebut sword, not copy,the patiba in handle seems good and marks too. I wait your opinions. thanks in advance carlos Attached Images

5th June 2026, 09:42 AM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,998	1916 Bebut My latest piece. Not cheap but when compered to the fairly resent massive inflation of really quite ordinary ethnographic pieces, really quite good value. I was never into military stuff as it was always too expensive but these days I think the table has turned. Now I have this piece in my hand I can see why they are rather sought after. I am gathering a small group of Imperial and Soviet Russian edged weapons and this fits nicely with the two versions of the m1881 {shashka} sabre and the M1927 Shashka. I wonder if I will ever come across the straight bladed military Kindjal which I believe was only in production for the last two years of WW1 and therefore far less common. Do any members have one to show? All the stampings seem correct and especially nice to have the Moscow? stamping in the leather frog. The scabbard is not leather but a rubber or rubberised resin, resinous lacquer over wood. Lovley clean blade except for a spidery stain at the tip which I cannot remove without being more aggresive to the metal. I have to say that I am happy with but pricey. Ouch!! The stamp on the leather seems tp be mr БИТКОВЪ, company name ?? Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 5th June 2026 at 12:55 PM. Reason: Adding photos

4th January 2010, 08:56 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Better pics of the stamps on the blade and the scabbard would help. Check the leather: old and damaged vs. artificially aged, the blade ( too intact for a WWI weapon?) and the handle ( old wood vs. new staining). 99% of bebuts these days are made in India and China. Sorry for the jaded view, but the contemporary market is brutal.

4th January 2010, 02:49 PM	#3
TKV Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 32	I think original item. M1907 type I.

4th January 2010, 05:19 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Hope you are correct, but how can one be sure without decent pics of the stamps? I, for one, cannot read the inscriptions at all.

4th January 2010, 05:40 PM	#5
klewang Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 23	These are military issued? And were weapons like this standard issued with these kind of scabbards? The scabbard looks a bit like a modified and shortened klewang (the Dutch military ones) version. regards

4th January 2010, 07:06 PM	#6
TKV Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 32	These were officially issued by Zlatoust (most of them), Izhevsk (bow and arrow mark) and Artinsk russian weapons' factories.

24th January 2010, 05:18 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Looks OK to me

11th June 2026, 03:31 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,998	That is very cool, thank you.