Burmese Dha & Javanese Badik

Aurangzeb · 25th May 2006, 05:04 AM

Hello All!

I have managed to get a nice little Burmese Dha, the hilt is made of good hardwood that has a nice glow and the a nice thick steel blade, the "guard' is well fitted brass. I think it is late 19th. century. The Javanese Badik is made primarily of wood that has a nice glow from age and the blade is good quality steel with some nice carving toward the rear of the blade. I think that this to is late 19th. century. I bought the Badik from Artzi and he says it's javanese so I won't doubt him. But I am curious what the difference between say a javanese badik as opposed to a Malaysian badik? Any comments on either knife is welcome!

Mark...

Aurangzeb · 27th May 2006, 01:08 AM

No comments?

Aurangzeb · 27th May 2006, 10:45 PM

Strange

Lew · 27th May 2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurangzeb

Strange

As far as I can tell it may be the fluting in the blade? I am not that well schooled in badiks. It is also a holiday weekend so you may not get too many replies until Tuesday. Btw what is the difference between a badik and a sewar?

Lew

Tim Simmons · 27th May 2006, 11:05 PM

Hello Mark this knife has a similar outline as yours. I suspect there are more unusual things to come as the Burma veterans leave this world

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kai · 28th May 2006, 03:35 AM

Hello Mark,

This seems to be a nice Sekin blade from the Padang Highlands - so it's most certainly Sumatran rather than from Java. Please post more pics of the base of the blade as well as the fullers!

I'd guess this got rehilted & a new scabbard in Badek-fashion a while back.

Regards,
Kai

Aurangzeb · 28th May 2006, 05:24 AM

Hello Kai!

I have never heard of this type of knife. Very interesting! From the link below better pictures can be seen. Thanks!
Mark...

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1513

Aurangzeb · 28th May 2006, 11:26 PM

ASlmost forgot, what whoud the normal dressing for the sekin be?

Aurangzeb · 8th June 2006, 04:33 AM

Thanks for all the help with the Sumatran Sekin and the Burmese Dha-Hmyaung!

Mark...

Aurangzeb · 10th June 2006, 12:58 AM

Oh onelast thing does anyone have a example I cam see of what the guard on the Thai dha looks like as opposed to the Burmese guard. and if mine is Burmese as opposed to Thai. here is a link to a piece Artzi identified as probably Thai but the handle is different than mine and one with a similer hilt from Burma but the blade is different.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1988
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=116

Mark...

Mark · 10th June 2006, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurangzeb

Oh onelast thing does anyone have a example I cam see of what the guard on the Thai dha looks like as opposed to the Burmese guard. and if mine is Burmese as opposed to Thai. here is a link to a piece Artzi identified as probably Thai but the handle is different than mine and one with a similer hilt from Burma but the blade is different.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1988
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=116

Mark...

Well ... ::sigh:: ... to be perfectly honest, it is really hard to tell. At least for those of us who are not Thai or Burmese.

I think Artzi is right about the Burmese attribution for the second one because the decor of the handle is a very classic Burmese motif. Not long ago I would have said the first one was Burmese, too, but now I am seeing Thai examples that are very similar. My thinking at the moment is that they are used all over the area and that there is no strong stylistic distinction between a Burman, a Thai or a Shan (Tai Yuan) knife. There are clearly some styles that are particular to one group or the other, but this doesn't seem to be one them.

Lifeguard!!! I'm drowning over here .... !!!

Aurangzeb · 10th June 2006, 06:33 AM

Hello Mark!

Confusing!

I think for simplicity sake I will still call it Burmese because of the hilt shape and the guard until some hard evidence surfaces saying Thai, Thanks for the help!

Mark...

PUFF · 10th June 2006, 02:55 PM

#1 The fuller run to the tip 's not typical Thai style. The style 's mostly found on Burmese blades.

#2 The circle mark with radial dots looks Burmese to me.

#3 The brass parts on the scabbard 's not precised Thai-Lanna style.

I vote to Burmese

27th May 2006, 11:05 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Hello Mark this knife has a similar outline as yours. I suspect there are more unusual things to come as the Burma veterans leave this world . Attached Images

10th June 2006, 12:58 AM	#10
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Oh onelast thing does anyone have a example I cam see of what the guard on the Thai dha looks like as opposed to the Burmese guard. and if mine is Burmese as opposed to Thai. here is a link to a piece Artzi identified as probably Thai but the handle is different than mine and one with a similer hilt from Burma but the blade is different. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1988 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=116 Mark... Last edited by Aurangzeb; 10th June 2006 at 03:23 AM.

25th May 2006, 05:04 AM	#1
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Burmese Dha & Javanese Badik Hello All! I have managed to get a nice little Burmese Dha, the hilt is made of good hardwood that has a nice glow and the a nice thick steel blade, the "guard' is well fitted brass. I think it is late 19th. century. The Javanese Badik is made primarily of wood that has a nice glow from age and the blade is good quality steel with some nice carving toward the rear of the blade. I think that this to is late 19th. century. I bought the Badik from Artzi and he says it's javanese so I won't doubt him. But I am curious what the difference between say a javanese badik as opposed to a Malaysian badik? Any comments on either knife is welcome! Mark... Attached Images

27th May 2006, 01:08 AM	#2
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	No comments?

27th May 2006, 10:45 PM	#3
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Strange

28th May 2006, 03:35 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Mark, This seems to be a nice Sekin blade from the Padang Highlands - so it's most certainly Sumatran rather than from Java. Please post more pics of the base of the blade as well as the fullers! I'd guess this got rehilted & a new scabbard in Badek-fashion a while back. Regards, Kai

28th May 2006, 05:24 AM	#7
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hello Kai! I have never heard of this type of knife. Very interesting! From the link below better pictures can be seen. Thanks! Mark... http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1513

28th May 2006, 11:26 PM	#8
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	ASlmost forgot, what whoud the normal dressing for the sekin be?

8th June 2006, 04:33 AM	#9
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Thanks for all the help with the Sumatran Sekin and the Burmese Dha-Hmyaung! Mark...

10th June 2006, 06:33 AM	#12
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hello Mark! Confusing! I think for simplicity sake I will still call it Burmese because of the hilt shape and the guard until some hard evidence surfaces saying Thai, Thanks for the help! Mark...

10th June 2006, 02:55 PM	#13
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	#1 The fuller run to the tip 's not typical Thai style. The style 's mostly found on Burmese blades. #2 The circle mark with radial dots looks Burmese to me. #3 The brass parts on the scabbard 's not precised Thai-Lanna style. I vote to Burmese