ANYONE RECOGNISE THIS BLADE

Royston · 22nd October 2008, 04:57 PM

My collection of "oddities" continues to grow. It appears that very few of my weapons fit into a definite category.

I am sure that this must be a European blade, but what ? I have never collected Western swords. Almost looks like a Chassepot bayonet that has been browned.
The sword is about 2 ft long. The scabbard is wood covered with thin, low grade, sheet silver.
Hilt is horn, probably buffalo ? Malaysian ? Indonesian ? Phillipines ? Must be from around there somewhere.
Vendor said it was some sort of Dha !!!!!!!!!!

I would be greatful for any suggestions
Thanks
Royston

Atlantia · 22nd October 2008, 05:26 PM

WOW!
Thats a weird beastie!
A pattern welded blade that looks like its from a yataghan bladed British or French bayonet? Whats going on there?
Very very nice though!

fearn · 22nd October 2008, 06:00 PM

Some Indonesian smith got creative.

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Henk · 22nd October 2008, 08:18 PM

Very interesting!!
It is an indonesian pamorblade. Looks like the smith was inspired by the dutch klewang.
I think we can talk about a pedang lurus or a straight sword. That's my first impresson at the moment.

asomotif · 22nd October 2008, 10:07 PM

Before 1900 the whole of europe was using this shape of bayonet.

And that must have been the inspiration for the smith, as this is clearly not a militairy blade.

very nice all together

ps I first read, RENCONGNISE instead of recognise

Rick · 22nd October 2008, 11:42 PM

The blade says Bali to me .

There's something about how the fuller terminates ...

fearn · 23rd October 2008, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Very interesting!!
It is an indonesian pamorblade. Looks like the smith was inspired by the dutch klewang.
I think we can talk about a pedang lurus or a straight sword. That's my first impresson at the moment.

Interesting piece, Royston. What's also interesting is how our biases show. Taking tongue firmly in cheek, I'd point out that properly, this is a bayonet shaped object (BSO) or perhaps a yataghan shaped object (YSO). After all, if a European smith can only make a keris shaped object (KSO) or a katana shaped object (also KSO), then the rule should apply to Indonesian smiths as well. This is especially true if (as asomotif) notes, it's not a military blade.

My 0.02 sen,

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David · 23rd October 2008, 04:46 AM

Well Alan, i understand you reasoning here, but it's more than the finish that makes me think Bali (or Lombok). The pamor pattern and execution look more Balinese to me and that single fuller reminds me of some i have seen on Balinese keris pedang. Also, while i have never seen hilt motifs quite like this one it doesn't seem to say Jawa to me. But of course, this is all just speculation.
I do believe that what we can say with a fair bit of certainty is that it is NOT a European blade or a dha and that it is from some part of Indonesia.

CharlesS · 27th November 2008, 08:16 PM

Here is another example of a similar type. I love the ferrule on this one, and it has a very nice pamor blade.

22nd October 2008, 04:57 PM	#1
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	ANYONE RECOGNISE THIS BLADE My collection of "oddities" continues to grow. It appears that very few of my weapons fit into a definite category. I am sure that this must be a European blade, but what ? I have never collected Western swords. Almost looks like a Chassepot bayonet that has been browned. The sword is about 2 ft long. The scabbard is wood covered with thin, low grade, sheet silver. Hilt is horn, probably buffalo ? Malaysian ? Indonesian ? Phillipines ? Must be from around there somewhere. Vendor said it was some sort of Dha !!!!!!!!!! I would be greatful for any suggestions Thanks Royston Attached Images

27th November 2008, 08:16 PM	#9
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Here is another example of a similar type. I love the ferrule on this one, and it has a very nice pamor blade. Attached Images

22nd October 2008, 05:26 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	WOW! Thats a weird beastie! A pattern welded blade that looks like its from a yataghan bladed British or French bayonet? Whats going on there? Very very nice though!

22nd October 2008, 06:00 PM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Some Indonesian smith got creative. F

22nd October 2008, 08:18 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Very interesting!! It is an indonesian pamorblade. Looks like the smith was inspired by the dutch klewang. I think we can talk about a pedang lurus or a straight sword. That's my first impresson at the moment.

22nd October 2008, 10:07 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Before 1900 the whole of europe was using this shape of bayonet. And that must have been the inspiration for the smith, as this is clearly not a militairy blade. very nice all together ps I first read, RENCONGNISE instead of recognise

22nd October 2008, 11:42 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	The blade says Bali to me . There's something about how the fuller terminates ...

23rd October 2008, 04:46 AM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Well Alan, i understand you reasoning here, but it's more than the finish that makes me think Bali (or Lombok). The pamor pattern and execution look more Balinese to me and that single fuller reminds me of some i have seen on Balinese keris pedang. Also, while i have never seen hilt motifs quite like this one it doesn't seem to say Jawa to me. But of course, this is all just speculation. I do believe that what we can say with a fair bit of certainty is that it is NOT a European blade or a dha and that it is from some part of Indonesia.