Old Ottoman daggers

[Kubur]

Hi Guys,

I'm very interested by old Ottoman daggers.
In particular this kind of dagger.
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=133
Oriental arms said 18th or earlier and the one in the Hermitage collection is from the 16th c.
Any ideas, other examples or comments?
More than the grip, I'm interested by the blade...
Thanks

Kubur

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Guys,

I'm very interested by old Ottoman daggers.
In particular this kind of dagger.
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=133
Oriental arms said 18th or earlier and the one in the Hermitage collection is from the 16th c.
Any ideas, other examples or comments?
More than the grip, I'm interested by the blade...
Thanks

Kubur

I do not trust the Hermitage collections descriptions, wonder how they dated it?

Here is a jambiya I got from Artzi, this type are said to be Ottoman Albanian, walrus hilt, wootz blade, 20 inches (in scabbard), blade 12 inches.

[Kurt]

Hi Kubur ,
Here is a dagger from my collection.
Total length 32 cm.
Blade length19 cm
Weight 400 grams.
Handle horn.
Blade of steel
Think 16 century.
Kurt

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hi Kubur ,
Here is a dagger from my collection.
Total length 32 cm.
Blade length19 cm
Weight 400 grams.
Handle horn.
Blade of steel
Think 16 century.
Kurt

Thank you Kurt, it's exactly what I was looking for!!
I might be wrong but I have the feeling that I have a 16th century blade or at least a pre 19th c. blade...
Kubur

[Kubur]

Look at this one too

[Battara]

Here is an Ottoman jambiya from Turkey proper that I once owned (stolen a few years ago ).

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Look at this one too

Kubur ,

http://turcica.museum-kassel.de/0/0/...0/katalog.html

Here you can find what you are looking for.

Kurt

[Victrix]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Kurt, it's exactly what I was looking for!!
I might be wrong but I have the feeling that I have a 16th century blade or at least a pre 19th c. blade...
Kubur

Hi Kubur,

Is the tang supposed to look like that or was it broken off? Would be interesting to know if Ottoman daggers were constructed without proper tangs.

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Victrix

Hi Kubur,

Is the tang supposed to look like that or was it broken off? Would be interesting to know if Ottoman daggers were constructed without proper tangs.

Not cut, not broken, yes it's interesting.
For me it's a proof of the stabbing function.
You can ask to Kurt if he wants to remove his blade just to check but
I doubt that he will agree...

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Kurt, it's exactly what I was looking for!!
I might be wrong but I have the feeling that I have a 16th century blade or at least a pre 19th c. blade...
Kubur

Hello Kubur,

Yes, it appears to be Turkish Ottoman blade, but I would be more cautious about its age.

Is it wootz?

Regards,

Marius

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by estcrh

I do not trust the Hermitage collections descriptions, wonder how they dated it?

Here is a jambiya I got from Artzi, this type are said to be Ottoman Albanian, walrus hilt, wootz blade, 20 inches (in scabbard), blade 12 inches.

Thanks you Estrech but i'm interested only in the Turkish ottoman and the old ones (PRE 19th c.)

[colin henshaw]

I had this one a few years ago...