new keris for comment

[ferrylaki]

I just got this keris. I need some information about dapur, pamor, etc...
any information will be just fine,
thank you.....

[drdavid]

Hi Ferrylaki, what is the length here?
drd

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by drdavid

Hi Ferrylaki, what is the length here?
drd

approx 38 cm over all.

[Marcokeris]

A keris from Yogya
In my opinion gayaman is cendana, ukiran not possible to understand (mybe kemuning) but surely a nice old patina.
Pamor: simple beras wutah while gonyo is similar pajang style but more short

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

A keris from Yogya
In my opinion gayaman is cendana, ukiran not possible to understand (mybe kemuning) but surely a nice old patina.
Pamor: simple beras wutah while gonyo is similar pajang style but more short

I got some information mentioning about the keris.
Pamor : wos wutah and kulit semangka ( different pamor for each side)
tangguh : jalak ngore, yogyakarta Hamengku buwono IX ( nom noman keris )
warangka : gayaman yogya( wood unknown) the wood is very smooth
but does not smell like cendana wangi.

but I find this nom noman keris from yogya is bigger and heavier than my other javanese keris, showing more active pamor and better iron. people siad jalak ngore is a rare tangguh, but my first collection come with 3 jalak ngore kerises with same pamor ( wos wutah and kulit semangka) . I've been trying to find good sample of keris with gold ornament/kinatah, but mostly I only find those in books ( ensiklopedia keris ) . I'll keep looking, any body have a kinatah keris?? any body?
Can we make our own kinatah keris?

I'm waiting for your opinion guys.....

[David]

Jalak ngore is not the tangguh of your keris, it is the dapor. Tangguh is a Javanese system of judging the era and area of origin that your keris comes from. Dapor is the form or profile that your keris displays based on the various features (ricikan) of the blade.
Kinatah is often added to a keris at a point later in the life of the blade. But when you ask can we make our own kinatah keris...well sure, you might be able to find someone you can commission to do this type of work, but this is not something that i would do. As interested in Javanese culture as i am i still am not culturally a part of it. IMO it would be inappropriate for me to commission someone to add kinatah to one of my keris. Even if you are Javanese adding gold to your keris might still not be appropriate. Gold is added to keris as a matter of cultural significance, not becuse you as a collector want a kinatah keris.
Actually i have seen may gold kinatah keris for sale both on websites and eBay. Most of them have been old keris that dealers have added gold on to increase their sales appeal or contempory keris made for the collectors market. If you are looking for the "real thing" it will no doubt be hard to find and costly. Anyone can add gold to a keris, but the real question is why?

[David]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

but I find this nom noman keris from yogya is bigger and heavier than my other javanese keris, showing more active pamor and better iron. people siad jalak ngore is a rare tangguh, but my first collection come with 3 jalak ngore kerises with same pamor ( wos wutah and kulit semangka)

This may be because this is a relatively recent keris, perhaps newer than the other examples you have.

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by David

This may be because this is a relatively recent keris, perhaps newer than the other examples you have.

Thank you very much fro the information.
I find my self make mistake mentioning dapur and tangguh , I really must learn more about the basic vocabulary.
this might be newer than my previous collection.
I mentioned kinatah keris in my threat because I found many keris sellers show to me their kinatah keris. some with old keris, and some new keris. some keris even have gold and diamond together, more expensive ofcourse.

So I wonder why would we add kinatah to our keris, is it for the great look or raising the price. as I know, the old king of mataram gave gold kinatah singo barong to every soldier when they concour other kingdom...that is old story about kinatah.

I like my new keris for its pamor...very bright and active. eye catching .
my other kerises do not show such pamor, maybe I should have them warangan. but I really afraid with the poison contain in warangan(arsenic) that been used in java. maybe I should just clean the rust in my keris with out warangan.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by ferrylaki

... people siad jalak ngore is a rare tangguh, but my first collection come with 3 jalak ngore kerises with same pamor ( wos wutah and kulit semangka) . I've been trying to find good sample of keris with gold ornament/kinatah, but mostly I only find those in books ( ensiklopedia keris ) . I'll keep looking, any body have a kinatah keris?? any body?
Can we make our own kinatah keris?

I'm waiting for your opinion guys.....

Like David said, jalak ngore is a name of a dapur. If you're looking for real pieces with gold kinatah, do note that the prices could go up to the price of a car or house.

Keris with kinatah are conferred similar to medals of honour in today's standards. It's a form of reward, for their warriors, in the olden days.

[A. G. Maisey]

Ferry, do you think you might be able to give us a photo of the top of the gonjo, especially the sirah cecak? Thanks.