Moro Axe Panabas

scratch · 12th August 2009, 02:37 PM

G'day

I thought some members may be interested in this piece.

Cheers,

Daniel

Rick · 12th August 2009, 03:23 PM

Congratulations !
You have one of the rarest forms of Panabas .

Gavin Nugent · 12th August 2009, 03:43 PM

Very nice and a strong raw weapon Scratch, congrats on a great find!!!

The twist rattan wrap pictured, does it denote anything in particular?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Congratulations !
You have one of the rarest forms of Panabas .

Make that two of the rarest...I do hope the other is shared in time too...

Gav

Rick · 12th August 2009, 04:39 PM

Funny, the curve in the spine seems purpose made .

Those marks on the spine are from use; not decoration, correct ?

KuKulzA28 · 12th August 2009, 05:31 PM

never seen one of those, great find scratch!

dennee · 12th August 2009, 08:13 PM

The blade's curve could be intended to keep the hand away from the work---as with the handle of a broad ax (also with a beveled edge) used for hewing timber.

scratch · 14th August 2009, 03:18 AM

G'day

I hope this piece continues to generate discussion.
Thank you to all for their communication and contribution.
It would do this piece and its maker a disservice to consider it as tool primarily,I think, although it certainly could have been used as such. Not to imply that an agricultural tool is any less valid of course. Perhaps this piece and other weapons also have their origin in agrarian function?
What parameters does one use to establish whether this a "true" panabas?
In the hands of a Moro warrior committed to death it would be a formidable weapon I think.

Measures
Overall lenght:25 in.
Blade length: 12 1/4 in.
Weight: 2 lb 7 oz.
To my eye Handle is made of bamboo root like good kachin daos.

The double beveled edge creates a thickness at cut zone as "thin" as many of my kukris and thicker than my barong example.
Blade has lateral strength to pry floorboards open/wider without taking a set as suggested. I believe the curve to be forged. I t does not flex easily. I would not subject my barong to this level of stress.
Dings in spine could have come through forceful blows against stationary metal object,I think, or forged purposefully? I tend to agree with Rick that abuse of some kind is likely.
Maurice and Migueldiaz, Thank you for your references as I can find little else published on these items.

Regarding rattan knot am I correct in thinking that mandaus have similiar?

Best regards to all,

Daniel

Lew · 14th August 2009, 04:35 AM

Scratch

Panabas were originally used as axes and for chopping wood and was put into use as a weapon in a pinch. I have seen photos of Moros carrying kampilans,barungs and kris and the only photo of a panabas I have seen was used to lop off heads for executions.

Lew

Gavin Nugent · 14th August 2009, 05:50 AM

To those learned gents on Moro Panabas, does the curved notch cut outs top and bottom at the forte indicated a true panabas as I have seen this notching on other high end panabas???
The length is very capable looking at it, longer than a Katchin Dao and nearly as long as a Kora...I'd like to hear more.

Gav

Battara · 16th August 2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

I have seen photos of Moros carrying kampilans,barungs and kris and the only photo of a panabas I have seen was used to lop off heads for executions.
Lew

I have been a little quiet on this post. Regarding pictures, I have seen a couple, not many. Yes they were more the execution types not this type.

Robert · 30th November 2018, 06:26 AM

I wish that I could claim to be the new owner of this exceptional piece and even though I cannot, I felt the need to resurrect this older thread to add these photos to our archives of this rare form of panabas. I am hoping that it was one of our forum members who has given this beautiful piece a new home and that after it has arrived and they have had the chance to give it a bit of TLC they will post more information as well as better quality photos showing the details much better than these auction photos do. My congratulations to whoever it might be that has had the good fortune to have won this beautiful piece.

Best,
Robert

kronckew · 30th November 2018, 11:08 AM

Nice! That definitely does NOT look like a tool.

12th August 2009, 02:37 PM	#1
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	Moro Axe Panabas G'day I thought some members may be interested in this piece. Cheers, Daniel Attached Images

14th August 2009, 03:18 AM	#7
scratch Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 96	G'day I hope this piece continues to generate discussion. Thank you to all for their communication and contribution. It would do this piece and its maker a disservice to consider it as tool primarily,I think, although it certainly could have been used as such. Not to imply that an agricultural tool is any less valid of course. Perhaps this piece and other weapons also have their origin in agrarian function? What parameters does one use to establish whether this a "true" panabas? In the hands of a Moro warrior committed to death it would be a formidable weapon I think. Measures Overall lenght:25 in. Blade length: 12 1/4 in. Weight: 2 lb 7 oz. To my eye Handle is made of bamboo root like good kachin daos. The double beveled edge creates a thickness at cut zone as "thin" as many of my kukris and thicker than my barong example. Blade has lateral strength to pry floorboards open/wider without taking a set as suggested. I believe the curve to be forged. I t does not flex easily. I would not subject my barong to this level of stress. Dings in spine could have come through forceful blows against stationary metal object,I think, or forged purposefully? I tend to agree with Rick that abuse of some kind is likely. Maurice and Migueldiaz, Thank you for your references as I can find little else published on these items. Regarding rattan knot am I correct in thinking that mandaus have similiar? Best regards to all, Daniel Attached Images

14th August 2009, 05:50 AM	#9
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	The forte To those learned gents on Moro Panabas, does the curved notch cut outs top and bottom at the forte indicated a true panabas as I have seen this notching on other high end panabas??? The length is very capable looking at it, longer than a Katchin Dao and nearly as long as a Kora...I'd like to hear more. Gav Last edited by freebooter; 14th August 2009 at 11:18 AM.

30th November 2018, 06:26 AM	#11
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I wish that I could claim to be the new owner of this exceptional piece and even though I cannot, I felt the need to resurrect this older thread to add these photos to our archives of this rare form of panabas. I am hoping that it was one of our forum members who has given this beautiful piece a new home and that after it has arrived and they have had the chance to give it a bit of TLC they will post more information as well as better quality photos showing the details much better than these auction photos do. My congratulations to whoever it might be that has had the good fortune to have won this beautiful piece. Best, Robert Attached Images

12th August 2009, 03:23 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Congratulations ! You have one of the rarest forms of Panabas .

12th August 2009, 04:39 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Funny, the curve in the spine seems purpose made . Those marks on the spine are from use; not decoration, correct ?

12th August 2009, 05:31 PM	#5
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	never seen one of those, great find scratch!

12th August 2009, 08:13 PM	#6
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	The blade's curve could be intended to keep the hand away from the work---as with the handle of a broad ax (also with a beveled edge) used for hewing timber.

14th August 2009, 04:35 AM	#8
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Scratch Panabas were originally used as axes and for chopping wood and was put into use as a weapon in a pinch. I have seen photos of Moros carrying kampilans,barungs and kris and the only photo of a panabas I have seen was used to lop off heads for executions. Lew

30th November 2018, 11:08 AM	#12
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	Nice! That definitely does NOT look like a tool.