European dagger help needed

La Gargouille · 23rd February 2017, 02:54 AM

Hello!

I have been a silent participant for a while now, and I believe this is my first active participation.

I recently bought this Dagger, of wich I have little information about.
So I come here to ask for your expertise to enlighten me about what you can tell by the images bellow.

The dagger was bought in a french antiquary, and came with a certificate dating it to the late XVII Century. It does not seem to have any sort of markings.

Thanks in advance!

MAC

Cerjak · 23rd February 2017, 09:18 AM

Hi

This dagger has a type of pommel and guard that I have never seen on European dagger from this period.
I 'm sorry for this bad news but this dagger is at best a victorian production .
best

CERJAK

La Gargouille · 2nd March 2017, 12:34 PM

Thanks for you reply Cerjak.

I'm a bit disappointed, altough I always knew it seemed too good to be true...

However I feel that the seller indeed thought we was selling a XVII century item, based on an "expert's" evaluation. - I will warn him about the skills of "the expert" he recurs to...

Can this dagger by any chance BE from that period, but just NOT European?

Thanks for any help!

MAC

La Gargouille · 17th May 2017, 02:35 AM

Hello,

Does anyone seen any dagger similar to this one?

Thanks in advance!

MAC

RobertGuy · 18th May 2017, 09:25 AM

The fullers in the ricasso block remind me of those found on some Victorian Scottish basket hilts. I think the blade has been cut down from something older.

Lee · 18th May 2017, 02:08 PM

Though I fear the previous posters are correct about a much later date for this example on the basis of the grain and texture of the metal, overall condition and style, I would like to note that the lengthwise fullers along the edges of the ricasso area also appear in earlier blades, including some swords from the Alexandria Arsenal group inscribed with the equivalent of 1432.

In due course (such as when I next find it) I'll have to share a dagger I bought in my early days from an established dealer as coming from a fine highly regarded collection. Maybe the dealer was telling the truth and it was a dud from early in that collector's collecting...

23rd February 2017, 02:54 AM	#1
La Gargouille Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Portugal Posts: 3	European dagger help needed Hello! I have been a silent participant for a while now, and I believe this is my first active participation. I recently bought this Dagger, of wich I have little information about. So I come here to ask for your expertise to enlighten me about what you can tell by the images bellow. The dagger was bought in a french antiquary, and came with a certificate dating it to the late XVII Century. It does not seem to have any sort of markings. Thanks in advance! MAC Attached Images

17th May 2017, 02:35 AM	#4
La Gargouille Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Portugal Posts: 3	Help! Hello, Does anyone seen any dagger similar to this one? Thanks in advance! MAC

23rd February 2017, 09:18 AM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi This dagger has a type of pommel and guard that I have never seen on European dagger from this period. I 'm sorry for this bad news but this dagger is at best a victorian production . best CERJAK

2nd March 2017, 12:34 PM	#3
La Gargouille Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Portugal Posts: 3	Thanks for you reply Cerjak. I'm a bit disappointed, altough I always knew it seemed too good to be true... However I feel that the seller indeed thought we was selling a XVII century item, based on an "expert's" evaluation. - I will warn him about the skills of "the expert" he recurs to... Can this dagger by any chance BE from that period, but just NOT European? Thanks for any help! MAC

18th May 2017, 09:25 AM	#5
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	The fullers in the ricasso block remind me of those found on some Victorian Scottish basket hilts. I think the blade has been cut down from something older.

18th May 2017, 02:08 PM	#6
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 914	Though I fear the previous posters are correct about a much later date for this example on the basis of the grain and texture of the metal, overall condition and style, I would like to note that the lengthwise fullers along the edges of the ricasso area also appear in earlier blades, including some swords from the Alexandria Arsenal group inscribed with the equivalent of 1432. In due course (such as when I next find it) I'll have to share a dagger I bought in my early days from an established dealer as coming from a fine highly regarded collection. Maybe the dealer was telling the truth and it was a dud from early in that collector's collecting...