Hungarian saber 15thC

cornelistromp · 1st November 2010, 09:06 PM

Hi All,

I received a nice S-shaped Hungarian??? saber and have a few questions, maybe somebody can help;
- is this type also used in other countries fa Italy?
- has somebody seen the triple shield-cross mark on 15thC arms before somewhere?

thanks+regards from Holland

Matchlock · 1st November 2010, 09:21 PM

Hi Cornelis,

Very fine piece in any case, congratulations!

I cannot tell for sure either but surmise that the style is characteristically Italian and may have soon been adopted by Hungary.

I reworked the detail showing the cross and shield blade mark struck three times in the Late Gothic tradition. Will ask my friend and be back.

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 1st November 2010, 09:48 PM

Hi Michael,

thank you very much , I will await your answer.

kind regards from Holland

cornelistromp · 2nd November 2010, 06:58 PM

Also interested in the opinions of other fellow-collectors of course

please feel free to comment.

Jeff D · 3rd November 2010, 04:04 AM

Hi Cornelis,

This is a 15th Century Hungarian saber, here is a similar one from Pg 30 of Ubojite Ostrice . This blade style (single fuller with prominent yelman) carried on in Hungary and later Poland into the late 16th century. I am not sure of the maker marks, I will see if i can find anything similar. I will enclose a close up of the mark on the pictured saber.

All the Best
Jeff

Matchlock · 3rd November 2010, 04:05 AM

Here you are, Cornelis,

My friend Ottmar thinks this an extremely fine and rare original and characteristic Venetian saber, ca. 1470 - so congrats once more!

Just in case that my fading eyes overlooked it: what is the overall length of the item? It might be a one-and-a-half saber!

Best to Holland from a cold and rainy Bavaria,
Michael

cornelistromp · 3rd November 2010, 10:16 AM

Hi Jeff,
thanks for the info and nice picture.

Hi Michael,
thanks for the info that it can be venetian.
this saber can be used with one or two hands.
the grip is 14cm
all over length is 98cm
blade is 78cm
pommel 5x5cm
weight is 1130gr

the only similar I could find is in Mueller/koelling/platow and discrubed as Hungarian end of 15thC. another one sold at Sothebys in 2002.

1st November 2010, 09:06 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Hungarian saber 15thC Hi All, I received a nice S-shaped Hungarian??? saber and have a few questions, maybe somebody can help; - is this type also used in other countries fa Italy? - has somebody seen the triple shield-cross mark on 15thC arms before somewhere? thanks+regards from Holland Attached Images

1st November 2010, 09:21 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cornelis, Very fine piece in any case, congratulations! I cannot tell for sure either but surmise that the style is characteristically Italian and may have soon been adopted by Hungary. I reworked the detail showing the cross and shield blade mark struck three times in the Late Gothic tradition. Will ask my friend and be back. Best, Michael Attached Images

3rd November 2010, 04:04 AM	#5
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Cornelis, This is a 15th Century Hungarian saber, here is a similar one from Pg 30 of Ubojite Ostrice . This blade style (single fuller with prominent yelman) carried on in Hungary and later Poland into the late 16th century. I am not sure of the maker marks, I will see if i can find anything similar. I will enclose a close up of the mark on the pictured saber. All the Best Jeff Attached Images

3rd November 2010, 10:16 AM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Hi Jeff, thanks for the info and nice picture. Hi Michael, thanks for the info that it can be venetian. this saber can be used with one or two hands. the grip is 14cm all over length is 98cm blade is 78cm pommel 5x5cm weight is 1130gr the only similar I could find is in Mueller/koelling/platow and discrubed as Hungarian end of 15thC. another one sold at Sothebys in 2002. Attached Images

1st November 2010, 09:48 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Hi Michael, thank you very much , I will await your answer. kind regards from Holland

2nd November 2010, 06:58 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Also interested in the opinions of other fellow-collectors of course please feel free to comment.

3rd November 2010, 04:05 AM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Here you are, Cornelis, My friend Ottmar thinks this an extremely fine and rare original and characteristic Venetian saber, ca. 1470 - so congrats once more! Just in case that my fading eyes overlooked it: what is the overall length of the item? It might be a one-and-a-half saber! Best to Holland from a cold and rainy Bavaria, Michael