Keris for comment

[Atlantia]

I find the form of this Keris very pleasing. Hopefully you can all tell me more about it:

[Sajen]

Seems to be a East Java or Madura keris with pamor adeg. How is the fit inside the sheath?

Regards,

Detlef

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Seems to be a East Java or Madura keris with pamor adeg. How is the fit inside the sheath?

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Thanks for coming in on this one.
LOL, not a good fit in the sheath. How did you know?
I've not seen this shape grip or type of pamor before, are they unsual?
The pamor is like a river and the grip is like a sheeps head!

Best
Gene

[tunggulametung]

Well Detlef knows alot
Anyway, since he is away, the sheath is Central Javanese style which might give an early indication that it might be latter fitted. Nice keris regardless. Other member might be able to elaborate further.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by tunggulametung

Well Detlef knows alot

Lol, not enough!!

[tunggulametung]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Lol, not enough!!

Oh, come on...

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by tunggulametung

Well Detlef knows alot
Anyway, since he is away, the sheath is Central Javanese style which might give an early indication that it might be latter fitted. Nice keris regardless. Other member might be able to elaborate further.

Thanks Tunggulametung

Best
Gene

[A. G. Maisey]

I'm in agreement with what has already been said, but I'll add this:- we would name this pamor as adeg sapu (standing broom), and this one is one of the better ones I've seen, its well executed and well preserved, a nice keris.
The mendak is Madura, the hilt is unusual in its simplicity, the wrongko is a terusan (one piece).

All in all this is a very nice bit of gear.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Detlef,

Thanks for coming in on this one.
LOL, not a good fit in the sheath. How did you know?
I've not seen this shape grip or type of pamor before, are they unsual?
The pamor is like a river and the grip is like a sheeps head!

Best
Gene

Hi Gene,

hilt is donoriko type from Madura, sheath like Chandra write is Central Java, by the blade I am unsure but think East Java.

Both are not uncommon to answer your question.

Like Chandra I think that others will be able to tell you more.

Regards,

Detlef

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Gene,

hilt is donoriko type from Madura, sheath like Chandra write is Central Java, by the blade I am unsure but think East Java.

Both are not uncommon to answer your question.

Like Chandra I think that others will be able to tell you more.

Regards,

Detlef

Oh well, not uncommon but pleasing to the eye and hand too.
Thanks Detlef.

Best
Gene

[Loedjoe]

I acquired this some month ago, and on seeing Atlantia's (much better) one was struck by the similarity of the pamor. Would this also be adeg sapu?
It seemed to me that the rather crude hilt on mine may be a recent replacement. Comments from the experts would be welcome.

[tunggulametung]

Originally Posted by Loedjoe

I acquired this some month ago, and on seeing Atlantia's (much better) one was struck by the similarity of the pamor. Would this also be adeg sapu?
It seemed to me that the rather crude hilt on mine may be a recent replacement. Comments from the experts would be welcome.

Yes, I would call this pamor adeg sapu. Similar to this but much finer lines were called adeg mrambut (rambut=hair).
Not an expert here but I think the hilt is original to the blade (the only hilt the blade has ever been fitted) or at least has been with the blade long enough. The simple hilt (without details) is common to East Java region. Hilt cup is also regionally correct. I notice (human?) hair on the pesi, this is an old practice. Hilt orientation is normally (traditionally) perpendicular with the blade (should be twisted 90 degrees clockwise) but this can be personal preference. Simple but handsome old keris. Congratulations!

[Atlantia]

Hi Loedjoe,

Nice Keris, thanks for sharing.
So would this be from the same place as mine? If so, what is the reason that some are straight and some have luks?
Best
Gene

[tunggulametung]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Loedjoe,

Nice Keris, thanks for sharing.
So would this be from the same place as mine? If so, what is the reason that some are straight and some have luks?
Best
Gene

I believe so.
Now that is a good question, but in simple words it may be made to satisfy product mix as in marketing, to fit certain dapur (style) for known or unknown reasons, for artistic reasons, for esoteric reasons, etc.

[A. G. Maisey]

The reason that keris have a variety of forms, both straight and waved, varies depending upon the period when the keris was made.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by tunggulametung

I believe so.
Now that is a good question, but in simple words it may be made to satisfy product mix as in marketing, to fit certain dapur (style) for known or unknown reasons, for artistic reasons, for esoteric reasons, etc.

I'm beginning to see why you Keris chaps like them so much. They are rather subtle and beautiful things.

[Loedjoe]

Thank you very much, tunggulametung, for your most helpful information and kind remarks.

[tunggulametung]

Not at all Loedjoe

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

I find the form of this Keris very pleasing. Hopefully you can all tell me more about it:

great!