Strange piece

fernando · 12th May 2007, 11:05 PM

Has anyone ever seen something of this kind?
Total length 8 1/2 inches ( over 21 cms. ).
Cast steel or iron.
The blade is hollow ground and square sectioned.
Does the hilt function as a spanner ?
Would this be a tool or a weapon?
Any help would be wellcome.
fernando

RhysMichael · 13th May 2007, 01:08 AM

Just a guess but could this be a lamplighters tool. I have read of them but never seen one. There was a company that made Victor tools that was bought out years ago by stanley. Thier planes are collected by tool collectors, but that may not be this Victor

Rick · 13th May 2007, 02:35 AM

Yup, I think it's some kind of tool or accessory.
Looks it's from the Victor-ian era.

Ferguson · 13th May 2007, 03:03 AM

Victor makes, or made, oxy-acetylene welding equipment. So the lamp lighting tool makes sense. The wrench (spanner) on the end could turn a valve. Don't know about the knife end.

Steve

VANDOO · 13th May 2007, 05:02 PM

MY GUESS WOULD BE A LETTER OPENER DUE TO THE SIZE. MANY COMPANYS MADE ADVERTIZEMENT LETTER OPENERS ,WATCH FOBS, POCKET KNIVES ECT. TO GIVE TO GOOD CUSTOMERS. THE RIB DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLADE LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT INTERFERE WITH LETTER OPENING BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT SHOULD WORK GIVE IT A TRY. NICE ITEM

fernando · 13th May 2007, 06:44 PM

Thank you all Gentlemen.
I actually got this thing, to "create" myself the problem to find out what it is ... curiosity is one of my manias

It came for free, at buying an unvulgar Maynard pat. 1845 priming tape lockplate, for a Greene Carbine, made in 1856 for the British to fight the Crimeian war.
I had a hope it was relative to weaponry, with that stiletto shaft blade and the crossed sabres in the brand. Not necessarily victor-ian

but some old, as not looking to have been made just the other day. The wrench version also came to mind, but wasn't totally convincing, as too small and rough to be such, if you think of welding or cutting nozzle spanners. The letter openner was also considered, but they wouldn't need to make it with a four sided profile, if that was their intention. Unless it was intended to resemble some kind of tool, like a rust ( or other ) scraper ... or a key to enter some orifice and turn something

. I googled "victor" under oxi-acetylene, after your input. Plenty results, but not the old stuff, with something depicting their logo, to check on the crossed saber figure.
Thank you all,anyway.
I will keep looking, trying to find the exact thing ... the Internet is a fantastic resource.
fernando

RhysMichael · 13th May 2007, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferguson

Victor makes, or made, oxy-acetylene welding equipment. So the lamp lighting tool makes sense. The wrench (spanner) on the end could turn a valve. Don't know about the knife end.

Steve

again hearsay only but I have been told that lamplighters had a took to turn on the valve that was also a stabbing weapon to protect them as they often had to light lamps in areas where there was a great deal of crime

again I have never seen one so I cannot say this it it

fernando · 14th May 2007, 12:13 AM

Now, that's intriguing.
Thanks a lot, RhysMichael
So this could be ( also ) a weapon, after all.
Anyone else knew about this ? Or how to dig for further info ?

12th May 2007, 11:05 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Strange piece Has anyone ever seen something of this kind? Total length 8 1/2 inches ( over 21 cms. ). Cast steel or iron. The blade is hollow ground and square sectioned. Does the hilt function as a spanner ? Would this be a tool or a weapon? Any help would be wellcome. fernando Attached Images

13th May 2007, 01:08 AM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Just a guess but could this be a lamplighters tool. I have read of them but never seen one. There was a company that made Victor tools that was bought out years ago by stanley. Thier planes are collected by tool collectors, but that may not be this Victor Last edited by RhysMichael; 13th May 2007 at 01:24 AM.

14th May 2007, 12:13 AM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Now, that's intriguing. Thanks a lot, RhysMichael So this could be ( also ) a weapon, after all. Anyone else knew about this ? Or how to dig for further info ? Last edited by fernando; 14th May 2007 at 12:25 AM.

13th May 2007, 02:35 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Yup, I think it's some kind of tool or accessory. Looks it's from the Victor-ian era.

13th May 2007, 03:03 AM	#4
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Victor makes, or made, oxy-acetylene welding equipment. So the lamp lighting tool makes sense. The wrench (spanner) on the end could turn a valve. Don't know about the knife end. Steve

13th May 2007, 05:02 PM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MY GUESS WOULD BE A LETTER OPENER DUE TO THE SIZE. MANY COMPANYS MADE ADVERTIZEMENT LETTER OPENERS ,WATCH FOBS, POCKET KNIVES ECT. TO GIVE TO GOOD CUSTOMERS. THE RIB DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLADE LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT INTERFERE WITH LETTER OPENING BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT SHOULD WORK GIVE IT A TRY. NICE ITEM

13th May 2007, 06:44 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you all Gentlemen. I actually got this thing, to "create" myself the problem to find out what it is ... curiosity is one of my manias It came for free, at buying an unvulgar Maynard pat. 1845 priming tape lockplate, for a Greene Carbine, made in 1856 for the British to fight the Crimeian war. I had a hope it was relative to weaponry, with that stiletto shaft blade and the crossed sabres in the brand. Not necessarily victor-ian but some old, as not looking to have been made just the other day. The wrench version also came to mind, but wasn't totally convincing, as too small and rough to be such, if you think of welding or cutting nozzle spanners. The letter openner was also considered, but they wouldn't need to make it with a four sided profile, if that was their intention. Unless it was intended to resemble some kind of tool, like a rust ( or other ) scraper ... or a key to enter some orifice and turn something . I googled "victor" under oxi-acetylene, after your input. Plenty results, but not the old stuff, with something depicting their logo, to check on the crossed saber figure. Thank you all,anyway. I will keep looking, trying to find the exact thing ... the Internet is a fantastic resource. fernando