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9th June 2013, 08:03 PM | #1 |
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Banjarmasin keris?
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I get offered this keris and want to ask you if you agree that this keris is maybe a Banjarmasin keris. I am allowed to show the pictures here. Handle is maritime ivory and very well patinated. |
11th June 2013, 06:13 PM | #2 |
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Very nice hilt, Detlef, albeit the carving was rather crude!
Can't comment on the keris as I know next to nothing about Banjarmasin kerises... |
11th June 2013, 08:12 PM | #3 | |
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nice to have you back here! Thank you for comment. Yes, the carving is crude and not very deep. I don't know if there are members who have a deep knowledge abaut Banjar kerises. Many will have seen pictures from kerises described as Banjarmasin but I doubt there is someone with a really deep knowledge. Regards, Detlef |
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11th June 2013, 08:45 PM | #4 |
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I just won this piece on Ebay (sorry for the poor pictures) which at least has a genuine hilt & typical gayaman sheath from Banjar
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11th June 2013, 08:51 PM | #5 | |
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very nice keris, can you post bigger pictures from the blade? My first impression is that the blade have a strong Palembang touch. Regards, Detlef |
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12th June 2013, 07:19 AM | #6 |
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Congrats, Jean!
I believe your piece does deserve a seperate thread with larger pics once you receive it. Regards, Kai |
12th June 2013, 07:57 AM | #7 |
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Hello Detlef,
In the keris you inquire about I don't see any feature that IMVHO clearly points to a Banjar origin; the hilt doesn't look like Solo, Yogya, nor Madura craftmanship to me either. Banjar carving work tends to be very neat, especially floral or geometric design elements found with (non-figural) wooden hilts. I agree that this hilt seems to be old and exhibits some genuine wear; it's certainly desirable and warrants further research. I'd hesitate to associate it with the buzzing economical hub and international melting pot of the Banjar/Negara area and would tend to look for more of a backwater in those days as a possible origin. This seems to be a kinda odd ensemble: How well does the blade fit into the scabbard? Any close-ups of the base of the blade as well as of the mendak? I hope our members specializing in Java/Madura will also chime in... Regards, Kai |
12th June 2013, 08:48 AM | #8 |
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Hello Detlef and Kai,
Thank you and OK, I will post better pictures when I receive it and I will probably need to slightly refurbish the gandar (fully covered with coiled & glued thread). I agree that the origin of the blade is not clear and it is not a fantastic piece but it has age and fits well into the sheath slot. According to the seller this kris was purchased in Indonesia about 40 years ago. Best regards |
12th June 2013, 11:35 AM | #9 |
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I dont' know about the blade but i think the hilt is not from kalimantan. It seems made for dress a selut (jogja or solo). I never seen ( of course in my personal experience) a banjarmasin hilt with a javanise selut. Imo maybe this hilt hade a lost selut that married well the mendak of the pic
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12th June 2013, 06:13 PM | #10 | |
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this was the reason why I post it. But it seems that the blade, scabbard and hilt belong together but wouldn't be surprised when the mendak is a later addition. This keris is a real puzzle for me. Here some additional pictures. Best regards, Detlef |
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