Dagger with gryphon head guillon terminals

cornelistromp · 23rd December 2010, 09:42 PM

Hi,
I am looking for à picture of à ballock type of dagger with gryphon cross terminals. Can anybody help?

Best regards,

cornelistromp · 3rd January 2011, 07:19 PM

similar to this one.

Matchlock · 3rd January 2011, 08:33 PM

Hi Cornelis,

I regret not being able to offer the 'real thing' but hope that two similar, though heavily stylized, quillon finials on Landsknecht swords will provide a bit of additional backup information (the painting dated 1452, the sword ca. 1530).

Please cf. my thread
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0&page=1&pp=30

If my scanner were not on strike I would post very similar gryhon quillons from a (composite) Landsknecht sword illustrated in Heinz R. Uhlemann: Kostbare Blankwaffen aus dem Deutschen Klingenmuseum Solingen, 1968, p. 49.

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 3rd January 2011, 10:32 PM

Hi Michael,

thank you for your always valuable feedback.
it is always very nice to see arm details back in art and architecture.

re:the finals of the sword of Klemens Thasche of p.49 are those not horseheads i/o gryphons?

kind regards,

Matchlock · 3rd January 2011, 10:50 PM

Hi Cornelis,

Thank you so much for your kind lines!

I surmised you owned that booklet.

Good question - I'm not sure. The style is grotesquely zoomorphic and characteristically Gothic anyway, just like the gargoyles on Gothic cathedrals. They were the nearest I could get to 'gryphon heads', so - sorry if they don't perfectly match.

Good night to the Netherlands and an obviously fine collection there,
Michael

Hotspur · 4th January 2011, 01:34 AM

It is interesting how styles of beasties traverse the centuries. This one from the late 19th century but reminiscent of dirk quillion a century before that This one possibly arguable as the head of a porpoise and the ballock above quite canine.

Cheers

GC

23rd December 2010, 09:42 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Dagger with gryphon head guillon terminals Hi, I am looking for à picture of à ballock type of dagger with gryphon cross terminals. Can anybody help? Best regards,

3rd January 2011, 07:19 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	similar to this one. Attached Images

3rd January 2011, 08:33 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cornelis, I regret not being able to offer the 'real thing' but hope that two similar, though heavily stylized, quillon finials on Landsknecht swords will provide a bit of additional backup information (the painting dated 1452, the sword ca. 1530). Please cf. my thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0&page=1&pp=30 If my scanner were not on strike I would post very similar gryhon quillons from a (composite) Landsknecht sword illustrated in Heinz R. Uhlemann: Kostbare Blankwaffen aus dem Deutschen Klingenmuseum Solingen, 1968, p. 49. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 3rd January 2011 at 09:07 PM.

4th January 2011, 01:34 AM	#6
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 499	It is interesting how styles of beasties traverse the centuries. This one from the late 19th century but reminiscent of dirk quillion a century before that This one possibly arguable as the head of a porpoise and the ballock above quite canine. Cheers GC Attached Images

3rd January 2011, 10:32 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Hi Michael, thank you for your always valuable feedback. it is always very nice to see arm details back in art and architecture. re:the finals of the sword of Klemens Thasche of p.49 are those not horseheads i/o gryphons? kind regards,

3rd January 2011, 10:50 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Cornelis, Thank you so much for your kind lines! I surmised you owned that booklet. Good question - I'm not sure. The style is grotesquely zoomorphic and characteristically Gothic anyway, just like the gargoyles on Gothic cathedrals. They were the nearest I could get to 'gryphon heads', so - sorry if they don't perfectly match. Good night to the Netherlands and an obviously fine collection there, Michael