Pair of arsenal Tulwars. Inscription help needed

Atlantia · 21st June 2008, 08:36 PM

Had these for a while, they are as you can see plain but functional. They have abnormally broad blades which are well tempered and sxtremely sharp. Double edged for the first 12 inches or so, a little crude but lovely springy steel. Bronze hilts.
Both have a similar punched inscriptions on the blades, I wondered if anyone could shed any light on them for me?

Thanks
Gene

Lew · 21st June 2008, 08:46 PM

Looks to be Bikiner Armoury markings.

Lew

Atlantia · 21st June 2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Looks to be Bikiner Armoury markings.

Lew

Ummm, Bikiner Armoury?

Rick · 21st June 2008, 09:20 PM

Bikaner armory used punch marks like these to inventory blades .
Some of the tulwars' symbols are matches to Bikaner markings .

This does not mean that the blades originated there .

ward · 22nd June 2008, 02:22 AM

bronze/brass hilts plain pounded out blades= late peasent swords. these were made quick and dirty.real but no quality

Jim McDougall · 22nd June 2008, 03:07 AM

I agree with Lew and Rick, the distinct dotted script is a Bikaner armoury characteristic, and this seems to have been a monumental establishment with the number of weapons associated with it. This is in Rajasthan, where these weapons are still produced. The appearance of identical weapons would suggest commercial products, but it seems unusual to have such detail as armoury marks applied.
It is worthy of note that in the latter 19th century, well into the 20th, the native cavalry regiments for the British Raj, had varying preferred swords selected by the officers. While many took previous British regulation patterns, many chose thier traditional tulwars. I had a pair of steel hilt tulwars that were incredibly pedestrian, munitions grade and stamped MOLE in the blade. These were apparantly of early 20th century and likely intended to be included in armoury stores for such issue. The lack of regimental marks suggests this issue was never reached, and I wonder if this may be the case with these.

Perhaps wishful thinking, but thought I would add this anyway. The traces of dark pitting in the blades suggest there is some age, and bronze can also be polished out. The blade profiles show the stepped back for the last third of the blade near to the point, a feature that would not seem to be used on commercial products for civilians.
In the military regulations there were apparantly indications on the length of tulwar blades for the native regiments, I believe 31" and 33" , one for Madras and the other Bengal, cannot recall specifics though.

21st June 2008, 08:36 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Pair of arsenal Tulwars. Inscription help needed Had these for a while, they are as you can see plain but functional. They have abnormally broad blades which are well tempered and sxtremely sharp. Double edged for the first 12 inches or so, a little crude but lovely springy steel. Bronze hilts. Both have a similar punched inscriptions on the blades, I wondered if anyone could shed any light on them for me? Thanks Gene

22nd June 2008, 02:22 AM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	bronze/brass hilts plain pounded out blades= late peasent swords. these were made quick and dirty.real but no quality Last edited by ward; 22nd June 2008 at 04:56 AM.

22nd June 2008, 03:07 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,941	I agree with Lew and Rick, the distinct dotted script is a Bikaner armoury characteristic, and this seems to have been a monumental establishment with the number of weapons associated with it. This is in Rajasthan, where these weapons are still produced. The appearance of identical weapons would suggest commercial products, but it seems unusual to have such detail as armoury marks applied. It is worthy of note that in the latter 19th century, well into the 20th, the native cavalry regiments for the British Raj, had varying preferred swords selected by the officers. While many took previous British regulation patterns, many chose thier traditional tulwars. I had a pair of steel hilt tulwars that were incredibly pedestrian, munitions grade and stamped MOLE in the blade. These were apparantly of early 20th century and likely intended to be included in armoury stores for such issue. The lack of regimental marks suggests this issue was never reached, and I wonder if this may be the case with these. Perhaps wishful thinking, but thought I would add this anyway. The traces of dark pitting in the blades suggest there is some age, and bronze can also be polished out. The blade profiles show the stepped back for the last third of the blade near to the point, a feature that would not seem to be used on commercial products for civilians. In the military regulations there were apparantly indications on the length of tulwar blades for the native regiments, I believe 31" and 33" , one for Madras and the other Bengal, cannot recall specifics though. Last edited by Jim McDougall; 22nd June 2008 at 03:18 AM.

21st June 2008, 08:46 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Looks to be Bikiner Armoury markings. Lew

21st June 2008, 09:20 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Bikaner armory used punch marks like these to inventory blades . Some of the tulwars' symbols are matches to Bikaner markings . This does not mean that the blades originated there .