" Death Shroud" Pamor ??

Rick · 22nd March 2006, 08:12 PM

Is anyone familiar with this pamor ?
I'm away from my books .
Does anyone have a picture ?

This sounds like a very unfavorable pamor .

nechesh · 22nd March 2006, 08:31 PM

Hi Rick. The pamor that is often referred to as the "death shroud" pamor is most often called Buntel Mayit, which literally means "corpse wrapping" i believe. Alan Maisey, on his web site, however, states that he was told by Empu Suparman Supawijaya that this is an error and that the true name for this pamor is really Buntel Mayat which means "slant wrapping". If you look at this pamor that does make some sense as it describes it exactly. AFAIK this pamor is one that according to tradition is best held by men of war and that it is detrimental in the hands of others. I have heard some people claim this pamor is destructive to ALL who own it, but frankly that makes little sense to me.

Rick · 22nd March 2006, 08:44 PM

Thanks for the written description Nechesh , I'm going to check out a tombak that supposedly has this pamor tomorrow . I've got a feeling from talking to the dealer that this is an old piece .

There's some fascinating old edged stuff here in S.FLA .
Maybe I'll bring something interesting home .

nechesh · 22nd March 2006, 09:06 PM

S. FLA!!!

You getting soft my friend, fleeing the great white north for cushy warm beaches and mimosas in the sunshine instead of struggling with a snow shovel thru the cold New England winter?!

Well, it's springtime now. It's safe to come home.

Check out this site for more pictures: http://keris.fotopic.net/c839588.html

Rick · 22nd March 2006, 10:23 PM

Thanks for the picture and link my friend .

You should know that I only come here to see my aged Mother and to offer her comfort in her declining years (she's out golfing right now) .

You should also know me well enough by now to realize that I would much rather be skinny dipping in the 37 degree F. Cape Cod waters under a lowering sky that is spitting sleet and snow .

/ BTW , hello to you Naga Sasra and Mick ; Mike , you out there ?

BluErf · 23rd March 2006, 12:38 AM

I think many death shroud pamor blades made today have no steel core. The pamor metal is simply twisted, hammered flat and fused back to itself to create the "wrapped" look. If there is a steel core, it would probably only show through partially along the edges (if not completely covered by pamor) and at the tip.

Andrew · 23rd March 2006, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Thanks for the picture and link my friend .

You should know that I only come here to see my aged Mother and to offer her comfort in her declining years (she's out golfing right now) .

You should also know me well enough by now to realize that I would much rather be skinny dipping in the 37 degree F. Cape Cod waters under a lowering sky that is spitting sleet and snow .

/ BTW , hello to you Naga Sasra and Mick ; Mike , you out there ?

What, no shout-out to me?

I'll call you later: I'm swamped until tomorrow afternoon.

22nd March 2006, 08:12 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	" Death Shroud" Pamor ?? Is anyone familiar with this pamor ? I'm away from my books . Does anyone have a picture ? This sounds like a very unfavorable pamor .

22nd March 2006, 09:06 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	S. FLA!!! You getting soft my friend, fleeing the great white north for cushy warm beaches and mimosas in the sunshine instead of struggling with a snow shovel thru the cold New England winter?! Well, it's springtime now. It's safe to come home. Check out this site for more pictures: http://keris.fotopic.net/c839588.html Attached Images

22nd March 2006, 10:23 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	It's A Sacrifice .......... Thanks for the picture and link my friend . You should know that I only come here to see my aged Mother and to offer her comfort in her declining years (she's out golfing right now) . You should also know me well enough by now to realize that I would much rather be skinny dipping in the 37 degree F. Cape Cod waters under a lowering sky that is spitting sleet and snow . / BTW , hello to you Naga Sasra and Mick ; Mike , you out there ?

22nd March 2006, 08:31 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi Rick. The pamor that is often referred to as the "death shroud" pamor is most often called Buntel Mayit, which literally means "corpse wrapping" i believe. Alan Maisey, on his web site, however, states that he was told by Empu Suparman Supawijaya that this is an error and that the true name for this pamor is really Buntel Mayat which means "slant wrapping". If you look at this pamor that does make some sense as it describes it exactly. AFAIK this pamor is one that according to tradition is best held by men of war and that it is detrimental in the hands of others. I have heard some people claim this pamor is destructive to ALL who own it, but frankly that makes little sense to me.

22nd March 2006, 08:44 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Thanks for the written description Nechesh , I'm going to check out a tombak that supposedly has this pamor tomorrow . I've got a feeling from talking to the dealer that this is an old piece . There's some fascinating old edged stuff here in S.FLA . Maybe I'll bring something interesting home .

23rd March 2006, 12:38 AM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I think many death shroud pamor blades made today have no steel core. The pamor metal is simply twisted, hammered flat and fused back to itself to create the "wrapped" look. If there is a steel core, it would probably only show through partially along the edges (if not completely covered by pamor) and at the tip.