Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > European Armoury
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 18th April 2024, 04:16 PM   #1
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Lightbulb Terminology of Polish-Lithuanian arms

Terminology of Polish-Lithuanian arms




After a recent annoying discussion in a well-known facebook forum (yes, I see my mistake...) about trying to explain to someone that a Polish-Hungarian type sabre is not the same as a Karabela, I decided to record the terminology of weapons from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth here in all its facets from the literature, the way I got to know it.

In each case the picture of a weapon type is shown which is representative of possible alterations and the common names are given. I try as best I can to show an original example of each type, but if it makes didactic sense, a replica may also be used. This will then be clarified.

Please note that the terminology only really took off at the end of the 19th century and that the terms were used synonymously before then. In the 17th century, for example, there were "curved sabres", "curved pallasches", "straight sabres", "swords" (could be anything from rapiers to dussacks) and so on and so forth.

Let's start with Karabelas, after all, that's where the muck grew.

Last edited by awdaniec666; 18th April 2024 at 09:10 PM.
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 04:37 PM   #2
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Karabela

Synonyms: Szabla orla (Eagle´s sabre), Szabla z rękojeścią karabelowatą (Karabela-hilted sabre), Szabla z otwartą rękojeścią (open-hilted sabre; imprecise)

Note: The term used to describe any highly decorated sabre or pallash. Furthermore, there are two types according to today's understanding: the combat Karabela and the Karabela kontuszowa (dress version).
Attached Images
 

Last edited by awdaniec666; 18th April 2024 at 05:35 PM.
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 04:42 PM   #3
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Szabla polsko-węgierska (Polish-Hungarian sabre)

Synonyms: Szabla węgierska, Węgierka, Batorówka (wrong)
Attached Images
 

Last edited by awdaniec666; 18th April 2024 at 05:04 PM.
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 04:47 PM   #4
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Ordynka

Synonyms: Ormianka (debatable), Smyczek, Szabla tatarska, Czeczuga (Special feature here: distinctive blade, see picture)
Attached Images
 

Last edited by awdaniec666; 18th April 2024 at 08:59 PM.
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 04:51 PM   #5
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Szabla husarska

Synonyms: Szabla czarna (debatable), Pałasz husarski, Szabla z zamkniętym kabłąkiem
Attached Images
 
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 04:52 PM   #6
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

L-ka

Synonyms: Szabla czarna (debatable), Pałasz husarski, Szabla z półotwartym kabłąkiem, Szabla husarska
Attached Images
 

Last edited by awdaniec666; 18th April 2024 at 09:04 PM.
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 07:34 PM   #7
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Corrected and now invalid post!

Last edited by awdaniec666; 18th April 2024 at 09:01 PM.
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th April 2024, 08:34 PM   #8
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Kościuszkówka
Attached Images
 
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th July 2024, 11:42 AM   #9
awdaniec666
Member
 
awdaniec666's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: Central Europe
Posts: 162
Default

Hi Jacenty. This is a Polish-Hungarian sabre. The Hungarians like to call it just "Hungarian". This is depicted in the third of forth post here - please keep in mind the depicted specimen are just examples and there are many variations. Sabres of this type have few things in common: Almond pommel, more or less straigh or slighty forwand bend grip, long cross guard and (typically) Styrian/Genoese/Hungarian curved blades.

Quote:
Originally Posted by awdaniec666 View Post
Szabla polsko-węgierska (Polish-Hungarian sabre)

Synonyms: Szabla węgierska, Węgierka, Batorówka (wrong)
awdaniec666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.