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I tried to take an aura photograph of one of my favorite kris at local shop who owns a Coggins system. Though I had reasonable doubts about the system, I found it interesting that my kris could make color changing in the aura picture displayed on the computer screen when I put it very near above the electrodes used for placing people palms. I sensed too the electrodes radiated vibrations, hence I thought of the color changing was the electrodes vibration reflected by the kris and not the kris aura itself.
Is there anyone experience with this phenomenon or using Kirlian system? If you are in Indonesia, please inform your address so I could take aura picture of my kris. Thanx. I.B. Sukakarya |
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hi there and welcome,
could you post some picture please? |
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Hi people, thanx for your comments and link.
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I'm sorry, but you were taken in by a meaningless phenomina. See http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/Ki...otography.html for an explanation. |
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Yes gobble'd'gook like all beliefs, I bet you could get similar results from a potato. Tim
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It's funny you say that, because a potato does give off electromagnetic radiation, like all living things and other things with metalic properties.
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Spooky
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You might try a control test using a kitchen knife, or a hunting knife or a big nail or similar object (tell the Kirlian photographer that the hunting knife was your grandfather's prized possession, or was used to kill someone, and you think part of his soul inhabits it ... ![]() "The Great" Randi (whose site hosts that link) is a notorious hard-core skeptic, of whom I am actually a bit skeptical myself. Sometimes he does disprove things, but just as often he takes the position that if you can't prove something to be due to the paranormal, it isn't. He doesn't need a logical or scientific explanation -- he assumes there is a trick, and the absence of proof to the contrary is proof enough for him. Not exactly the scientific method at work there. I haven't seen him exlaim how Yuri Geller can move a compass needle on a brightly-lit plain wooden table outside, with his sleeves rolled up. He did show how Geller could be bending spoons, though ... ![]() |
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These things are quite fun and most of the time harmless. As to beliefs, I find them fasinating , why I have an interest in anthropology. I do not want to upset anybody but beliefs usually always lead to trouble and hinder mankinds advance to a humanist future, which could be a belief in itself
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Sure Tim, you might have a point there. Maybe we should all just suspend our belief in, say, gravity and try walking off a 10 story building.
![]() At least it would allieviate the over-population crisis and that would certainly be a help to "mankind's advance to a humanist future". ![]() I tend to agree that kirlian photography and Coggins' system have been misinterpreted phenomena. Still, they could be useful measuring systems. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...." that can be accounted for by so-called "scientific" methods which always seem to find the method necessary to prove any given theorum given enough time and resources. Are sub-atomic materials particles or waves? All depends on how you measure them. Anyone who has been following modern physics with the least bit of interest has propbably noticed that the line between science and mysticism is becoming thinner by the day. Try reading Fritjof Capra's "the Tao of physics". The "gooble'd'gook" of yesterday may well become the science of tomorrow. String theory anyone? ![]() Last edited by nechesh; 12th August 2005 at 10:58 PM. |
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Thanks Bill. As Mr. Spock would say..."Fascinating". However, a disregard for belief in EITHER theory of gravity would, i am afraid, yield the same result in the case of the 10 story walk off a building
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I look forward to a bright mystic future
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Hello Mr Sukakarya,
Those events sound like a most fantastic spectecle, I would really like to see the scary vampires ![]() ![]() |
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Hey Tim, i'm not sure if you are just being sarcastic or you maybe didn't really understand the remark about vampires, but just incase you were confused, there is no vampire Barong Dance.
![]() Skepticism is a healthy thing as long as it doesn't get in the way of the open mind. In fact i practice it rather "religiously", if you will. However, i have also studied Magick and mysticism for more than 25yrs. and can tell you that i have personally experienced many things that can not be explained by present scientific method. I do, however, consider these experiences to be completely natural. Understanding magick goes far beyond owning a small collection of African divination and magickal items no matter how highly you prize the collection. Understanding comes through practice, not skeptical observance. If you wish to continue to make light of other peoples spiritual beliefs, that's fine. People often make fun of the things they don't understand. What ever makes you comfortable, dude. ![]() |
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Fred Eiseman is an American who lived in a village situation in Bali for many years. His experience and perspective of Balinese life is from the inside, looking out, not from the outside, looking in. Before coming to any conclusions in respect of the percieved efforts of participants in Barong dances attempts to stab themselves, I suggest that a reading of Fred Eiseman`s "Sekala and Niskala" might lift the fog just a little.
On the other hand:- in about 1970 in a village near Kuta I saw a non-Balinese person thrown from the top of a six foot wall, where he was sitting, by an invisible force because he had not heeded warnings to keep his head lower than the head of Rangda. Nobody was anywhere near this person, who was sitting on the top of a wall around the courtyard where the dance was being performed. He had been asked several times by local people to move and sit with everybody else. He would not. When Rangda entered the dance area he was projected with considerable force from the top of the wall. |
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I think you missunderstand me greatly, so keen am I to get the feel of other cultures beliefs I was happy to go with the barong vampire dance thing. I would only make light of the sort of thought that would transport old world superstion not related to any native cultures to the new world.
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I think it is time to shelve the "light-hearted" exchanges about spiritualism. I don't like where this is going, frankly.
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Thanks Mark. I both respect and encourage your insistence that our discussions stay both civil and on topic. I must point out, however, that it would be virtually impossible to continue to have ethnographic discussion of the keris without at least occasionally entering into conversation on magick and mysticism and how it pertains to this weapon and it's culture. It's not so much a matter of belief. This is the culture of the keris, regardless of personal belief systems. The keris simply cannot be understood in a vacuum outside of this culture. It is so much more than just a beautiful bit of metalurgy.
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I think the atmosphere would be more pleasant and cordial if absent from name calling and fairly frequent swollen headed "barks"...
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Thanks for clarifying that Mark.
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