Old (?) Madurese keris/Pamor Ron Gendhuru Winengku

Gustav · 24th June 2011, 01:47 PM

Dear All,

I wanted to share some bad pictures of this keris. It is a huge one, blade mesures 40 cm. It is becoming pretty impossible for less informed people like me to guess if a keris with such more elaborate pamor is old or aged, yet this one perhaps could have some age. The visible (inappropriate) staining is what stays visible after getting down the rust in a pinaple juice bath.

There is an interesting feature in the blumbangan on one side, a circle like these we discussed a while ago, yet in this case it could be something incidental.

Gustav · 24th June 2011, 02:01 PM

Wrongko is of pretty poor quality, on gambar most of the pelet is painted, on gandar all. Probably not the original one, yet for some time already together - buntut of gonjo of this keris is leaving a patinated impression.

Hilt is made from antler, with somewhat unusual shape and ornamentation for this type.

GIO · 24th June 2011, 04:23 PM

IMHO recent Madura (or Yogyia) manufacture..
I find the painted scabbard really fascinating...

GIO · 24th June 2011, 04:27 PM

What I said before refers to the blade. The hilt is Cirebon

Sajen · 24th June 2011, 05:26 PM

Hello Gustav,

I am unable to say if this is an old or artificially aged blade from the pictures but it is a nice blade. Also when the wrongko is partially painted it is in my eyes a nice typical East Java/Madura wrongko and I can't see why you think that it is from poor quality. The hilt isn't a Cirebon one but from the North-East coast or Madura IMHO. But the bulge at the right side is irritating, never seen something like this. I am curious what others with more knowledge than I am will say about this keris.

Regards,

Detlef

Gustav · 24th June 2011, 07:11 PM

Gio and Sajen, thank you for your comments.

As I mentioned, I were not able to say, if this blade is old or recent. I just thought, I see here some features I never have noticed on blades of recent production, yet I am more or less familiar only with some things appearing on internet - a big handicap.

Yet I doubt, this blade could be made in Yogya.

I said "poor quality"regarding wrongko, becouse of the painted pelet, yet moreover the worn, thick edges of gambar.

24th June 2011, 01:47 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Old (?) Madurese keris/Pamor Ron Gendhuru Winengku Dear All, I wanted to share some bad pictures of this keris. It is a huge one, blade mesures 40 cm. It is becoming pretty impossible for less informed people like me to guess if a keris with such more elaborate pamor is old or aged, yet this one perhaps could have some age. The visible (inappropriate) staining is what stays visible after getting down the rust in a pinaple juice bath. There is an interesting feature in the blumbangan on one side, a circle like these we discussed a while ago, yet in this case it could be something incidental. Attached Images

24th June 2011, 02:01 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Wrongko is of pretty poor quality, on gambar most of the pelet is painted, on gandar all. Probably not the original one, yet for some time already together - buntut of gonjo of this keris is leaving a patinated impression. Hilt is made from antler, with somewhat unusual shape and ornamentation for this type. Attached Images

24th June 2011, 04:23 PM	#3
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	IMHO recent Madura (or Yogyia) manufacture.. I find the painted scabbard really fascinating...

24th June 2011, 04:27 PM	#4
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	What I said before refers to the blade. The hilt is Cirebon

24th June 2011, 05:26 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Gustav, I am unable to say if this is an old or artificially aged blade from the pictures but it is a nice blade. Also when the wrongko is partially painted it is in my eyes a nice typical East Java/Madura wrongko and I can't see why you think that it is from poor quality. The hilt isn't a Cirebon one but from the North-East coast or Madura IMHO. But the bulge at the right side is irritating, never seen something like this. I am curious what others with more knowledge than I am will say about this keris. Regards, Detlef

24th June 2011, 07:11 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Gio and Sajen, thank you for your comments. As I mentioned, I were not able to say, if this blade is old or recent. I just thought, I see here some features I never have noticed on blades of recent production, yet I am more or less familiar only with some things appearing on internet - a big handicap. Yet I doubt, this blade could be made in Yogya. I said "poor quality"regarding wrongko, becouse of the painted pelet, yet moreover the worn, thick edges of gambar.