Keris Identification

ferrylaki · 22nd November 2007, 03:15 AM

This keris is mine. the reason I bought this keris is for the timoho warangka and the nice dapur. seem to be in good shape.
I consider the dapur to be PASOPATI... I have no idea about the PAMOR.

I really have a bad feeling about the dapur. it might have been changed.
there for I really need your you opinion.

Regards,
FERRY

PenangsangII · 22nd November 2007, 06:50 AM

Any specific reason why you thought the dapor had been changed or modified? The keris looks very fine to me, and I like it very much also

ferrylaki · 22nd November 2007, 08:15 AM

a pasopati dapur usually has greneng and mine doesnt.
take a look at the ganja, buntut urang section, it might have greneng once.

From all keris pictures I've ever seen, keris with dapur pasopati always shows greneng.
How do you think about the pamor? what kind of pamor is it?
the pamor seen obvious in the centre of the blade, but thats all . not evidence of pamor on other section.

regards,
FERRY

PenangsangII · 22nd November 2007, 08:47 AM

Like you said Ferry, your pasopati used to have greneng though in your case I can see less significant one. Couldnt it be because years of washing? Judging from the steel - it looks old. Some say Pasopati was created during Kadewatan period which is older than Keris Buda...... Though your example definitely younger creation, IMHO, it has some age to it....I cant comment on the pamor that I've never seen before...

ferrylaki · 22nd November 2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Like you said Ferry, your pasopati used to have greneng though in your case I can see less significant one. Couldnt it be because years of washing? Judging from the steel - it looks old. Some say Pasopati was created during Kadewatan period which is older than Keris Buda...... Though your example definitely younger creation, IMHO, it has some age to it....I cant comment on the pamor that I've never seen before...

Thank you PenangsangII,
the pamor on the sor soran section shows a very smooth pamor which I ever seen on lar gangsir pamor. If the greneng was dissappear because of years of washing, the blade it self should be damage also.
Does the fracture between greneng and the warangka can cause the greneng become damage? we're talking abaut wooden warangka here.

I guess we can conclude that this keris have pamor that we cant mention what it is. I'm still curious abaut its pamor.

Well you're the only one who response to my thread.
Thank you very much PenangsangII.

FERRY

Alam Shah · 22nd November 2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

... Couldnt it be because years of washing? Judging from the steel - it looks old... Though your example definitely younger creation, IMHO, it has some age to it....I cant comment on the pamor that I've never seen before...

Hmmm... others might be able to help...

A. G. Maisey · 22nd November 2007, 10:31 PM

G'day Ferry,

I've lifted your full length blade pic and massaged it through Photoshop, but I'm sorry, I just cannot see enough detail to have a guess at the pamor.

In my opinion, and based upon what I can see in the photo, this is an old blade that has had the edges cleaned up, and has been reshaped.

Some people regard this as an undesirable practice, however, done skilfully, I do not. If an old blade is worth preserving, and this one is worth preserving, this is one way of ensuring its preservation. OK, its not a national treasure, but it is decent old blade, providing a shadow of its former self. There are two things you can do with a very deteriorated blade such as this one was:- you can clean it, stain it, oil it, put it in sandang walikat and effectively retire it, or you can clean up the edges, reshape it, and make it fit for use as a keris to be worn as an item of dress.

The wrongko is beautiful, and this type of wrongko is not seen all that often---its scarce.

The handle would be better replaced with an East Jawa one.

All in all, I reckon this is a pretty fair sort of keris.

22nd November 2007, 03:15 AM	#1
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	Keris Identification This keris is mine. the reason I bought this keris is for the timoho warangka and the nice dapur. seem to be in good shape. I consider the dapur to be PASOPATI... I have no idea about the PAMOR. I really have a bad feeling about the dapur. it might have been changed. there for I really need your you opinion. Regards, FERRY Attached Images

22nd November 2007, 08:15 AM	#3
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	pasopati dapur a pasopati dapur usually has greneng and mine doesnt. take a look at the ganja, buntut urang section, it might have greneng once. From all keris pictures I've ever seen, keris with dapur pasopati always shows greneng. How do you think about the pamor? what kind of pamor is it? the pamor seen obvious in the centre of the blade, but thats all . not evidence of pamor on other section. regards, FERRY

22nd November 2007, 06:50 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Any specific reason why you thought the dapor had been changed or modified? The keris looks very fine to me, and I like it very much also

22nd November 2007, 08:47 AM	#4
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Like you said Ferry, your pasopati used to have greneng though in your case I can see less significant one. Couldnt it be because years of washing? Judging from the steel - it looks old. Some say Pasopati was created during Kadewatan period which is older than Keris Buda...... Though your example definitely younger creation, IMHO, it has some age to it....I cant comment on the pamor that I've never seen before...

22nd November 2007, 10:31 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,853	G'day Ferry, I've lifted your full length blade pic and massaged it through Photoshop, but I'm sorry, I just cannot see enough detail to have a guess at the pamor. In my opinion, and based upon what I can see in the photo, this is an old blade that has had the edges cleaned up, and has been reshaped. Some people regard this as an undesirable practice, however, done skilfully, I do not. If an old blade is worth preserving, and this one is worth preserving, this is one way of ensuring its preservation. OK, its not a national treasure, but it is decent old blade, providing a shadow of its former self. There are two things you can do with a very deteriorated blade such as this one was:- you can clean it, stain it, oil it, put it in sandang walikat and effectively retire it, or you can clean up the edges, reshape it, and make it fit for use as a keris to be worn as an item of dress. The wrongko is beautiful, and this type of wrongko is not seen all that often---its scarce. The handle would be better replaced with an East Jawa one. All in all, I reckon this is a pretty fair sort of keris.