New Year New Keris

JustYS · 10th January 2020, 11:53 AM

Hi everyone,

Acquired a new keris Madura (to me) and managed to bring it to Australia (thank you again Alan and Pak Rasjid for pointing me into the right direction).

Pamor: Lintang Kemukus
Dhapur: I guess it is diluar pakem (I’ve used 2 references: Dhapur 1920 and Keris Jawa antara Mistik dan Nalar and could not find a match)
Age: Probably not so old but maybe pre 1945?

I would really appreciate your comments as part of my learning curves into kerisology

Thank you

David · 10th January 2020, 08:38 PM

That's an attractive keris, but from what i can see i don't believe it to be pre-WWII. I suspect this is a fairly recent creation that has received a bit of an aging treatment. This artificial aging is not always done to deceive. It is s preferred look for some. I only see it as deception if it is presented in the marketplace as old.

mariusgmioc · 11th January 2020, 12:08 AM

I do not know almost anything about krises, but this is definitely a masterpiece of pattern welding. Posibly made by the same pande that made the braided blade that was shown here some time ago.
Anyhow, this is a recently made kris and I believe it is less than 20 years young.

jagabuwana · 11th January 2020, 09:09 AM

Nice beefy blade, though almost certainly post 1945. I do like the Madura style ladrang wrongkos.

Dhapur "sinom robyong" came to mind but I think that requires sogokan.

JustYS · 11th January 2020, 09:41 AM

Thank you David, mariusgmioc and jagabuwana for your feedbacks.

I agree that the blade looks too “intact” to be old.

Hi Mariusgmioc, which blade are you reffering to (braided pamor)? Is it the one with pamor Jarot Asem?

Hi Jagabuwana,

Yes due to the presence of the jenggot, my first thought was Sinom Robyong as well. However like you had mentioned Sinom Robyong was listed with sogokan which did not exist in my blade.

Cheers

David · 12th January 2020, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagabuwana

Nice beefy blade, though almost certainly post 1945.

In practice post-1945 is really the same as saying post 1970s. There are not a lot of keris being made in the period between 1945-early 1970s. I think this keris was made after the 1970s, but really could be as recent as last week.

mariusgmioc · 12th January 2020, 11:41 AM

This one

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=kamardikan

10th January 2020, 11:53 AM	#1
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 138	New Year New Keris Hi everyone, Acquired a new keris Madura (to me) and managed to bring it to Australia (thank you again Alan and Pak Rasjid for pointing me into the right direction). Pamor: Lintang Kemukus Dhapur: I guess it is diluar pakem (I’ve used 2 references: Dhapur 1920 and Keris Jawa antara Mistik dan Nalar and could not find a match) Age: Probably not so old but maybe pre 1945? I would really appreciate your comments as part of my learning curves into kerisology Thank you Attached Images

10th January 2020, 08:38 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,124	That's an attractive keris, but from what i can see i don't believe it to be pre-WWII. I suspect this is a fairly recent creation that has received a bit of an aging treatment. This artificial aging is not always done to deceive. It is s preferred look for some. I only see it as deception if it is presented in the marketplace as old.

11th January 2020, 12:08 AM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	I do not know almost anything about krises, but this is definitely a masterpiece of pattern welding. Posibly made by the same pande that made the braided blade that was shown here some time ago. Anyhow, this is a recently made kris and I believe it is less than 20 years young.

11th January 2020, 09:09 AM	#4
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 281	Nice beefy blade, though almost certainly post 1945. I do like the Madura style ladrang wrongkos. Dhapur "sinom robyong" came to mind but I think that requires sogokan.

11th January 2020, 09:41 AM	#5
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 138	Thank you David, mariusgmioc and jagabuwana for your feedbacks. I agree that the blade looks too “intact” to be old. Hi Mariusgmioc, which blade are you reffering to (braided pamor)? Is it the one with pamor Jarot Asem? Hi Jagabuwana, Yes due to the presence of the jenggot, my first thought was Sinom Robyong as well. However like you had mentioned Sinom Robyong was listed with sogokan which did not exist in my blade. Cheers

12th January 2020, 11:41 AM	#7
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	This one http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=kamardikan