bronze indian ceremonial dagger ?

francantolin · 23rd February 2021, 05:36 PM

Hello dear members,

I wanted to show you this dagger,

looks like an indian curved pesh kabz blade with a renforced tip
but all bronze/brass made so not a weapon...

a monster / makhara ? head ont the basis of the blade .
total length 29cm.

Find its well made,
ceremonial use ?
maybe recent item but didn't find other like that on ebay...

What do you think ?

Kind regards

kai · 23rd February 2021, 06:59 PM

Hello Franc,

That's certainly a representation of a dagger in its scabbard: The thickening at the end stylistically being a scabbard finial.

While blades for real cutting/poking can certainly be crafted from bronze, this is none of them as you already suggested. I hope our experts for southern Asia will come forward explaining its cultural context!

Regards,
Kai

kronckew · 23rd February 2021, 07:53 PM

Sikh Kirpan. lets them satisfy their religious requirement to carry a 'weapon' at all times. Saves hassle from the police.

francantolin · 23rd February 2021, 08:15 PM

Thank you Kronckew !!
All day deco kirpan dagger,
Quick done, well done !
So really recent I guess...

russel · 24th February 2021, 05:33 AM

At almost 12 inches long, I seriously doubt it is a Kirpan!

kronckew · 24th February 2021, 08:10 AM

Kirpan come in all sizes, from mini you can wear around your neck to full swords.

"The kirpan is a sword or a knife of any size and shape, carried by Sikhs."

Ideally they are made of steel. Brass one is probably not for EDC.

Amazon even carries them, converted into a pair of knockers.

francantolin · 24th February 2021, 08:13 AM

this one is just a brass bronze deco piece,
hopefully didn't pay that much !!

23rd February 2021, 05:36 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	bronze indian ceremonial dagger ? Hello dear members, I wanted to show you this dagger, looks like an indian curved pesh kabz blade with a renforced tip but all bronze/brass made so not a weapon... a monster / makhara ? head ont the basis of the blade . total length 29cm. Find its well made, ceremonial use ? maybe recent item but didn't find other like that on ebay... What do you think ? Kind regards Attached Images

23rd February 2021, 07:53 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Sikh Kirpan. lets them satisfy their religious requirement to carry a 'weapon' at all times. Saves hassle from the police. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 23rd February 2021 at 08:09 PM.

24th February 2021, 08:10 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Kirpan come in all sizes, from mini you can wear around your neck to full swords. "The kirpan is a sword or a knife of any size and shape, carried by Sikhs." Ideally they are made of steel. Brass one is probably not for EDC. Amazon even carries them, converted into a pair of knockers. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 24th February 2021 at 08:24 AM.

23rd February 2021, 06:59 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Franc, That's certainly a representation of a dagger in its scabbard: The thickening at the end stylistically being a scabbard finial. While blades for real cutting/poking can certainly be crafted from bronze, this is none of them as you already suggested. I hope our experts for southern Asia will come forward explaining its cultural context! Regards, Kai

23rd February 2021, 08:15 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	Thank you Kronckew !! All day deco kirpan dagger, Quick done, well done ! So really recent I guess...

24th February 2021, 05:33 AM	#5
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	At almost 12 inches long, I seriously doubt it is a Kirpan!

24th February 2021, 08:13 AM	#7
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	this one is just a brass bronze deco piece, hopefully didn't pay that much !!