Help in identification #2

Dave1104 · 28th August 2012, 05:15 AM

Here is the second blade, I believe also from the Philippines or Indonesia.

The blade in scabbard is 28.75" total, with the actual blade 22.5". The blade has some cross-hatches that suggest it is a re-worked file, but a large one? The shape of the blade suggests an oversized talibon, almost a sword. The handle is carved wood. The sheath is wood, bound by rattan. Help?

VANDOO · 28th August 2012, 05:37 AM

THIS ONE IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT AS IT HAS FEATURES OF THE TALIABON/ GARAB IN SCABBARD AND HANDLE BUT THE BLADE MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE ITAK. IS THE BLADE CHISEL GROUND (FLAT ON ONE SIDE AND CONVEX ON THE OTHER) I AGREE WITH YOUR OBSERVATION OF THE BLADE LIKELY MADE FROM A FILE. DUE TO THE TEMPER OF THE FILE PERHAPS IT IS NOT SHAPED USING A FORGE BUT SHAPED BY STOCK REMOVAL

ANOTHER NICE ONE

Robert · 28th August 2012, 06:09 AM

I totally agree with Barry on this being a bit more difficult to identify with all its various features. If I had to guess I would say it could be a form of sansibar. Again a very interesting piece, keep them coming.

Regards,
Robert

Dave1104 · 28th August 2012, 09:07 PM

Thanks Barry and Robert.
This blade is not chisel ground. As best I can tell, it is symmetrical on both sides. I do have a classical talibon with the clear chisel ground blade. To my eye, this larger sword does not have that characteristic, although the general shape is there with the exception of it being much larger. (I am attaching a photo with both together for comparison purposes). I'm leaning toward the idea of a re-purposed file due to the symmetrical sides and the visible cross hatching. My guess is 1st half of the 20th century?

Dave

Robert · 28th August 2012, 09:23 PM

I would agree with a dating of first half of the 20th century and that it was more than likely made from a large file or rasp. Here is a link that you might want to check out. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=sansibar It will help you in giving a name to this sword.

Regards,
Robert

Dave1104 · 2nd September 2012, 05:11 AM

I found this photo on Eriks Edge web site. It looks a lot like my weapon, and is identified as "a long batangas sword".

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Is this a logical comparison?

28th August 2012, 05:15 AM	#1
Dave1104 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 23	Help in identification #2 Here is the second blade, I believe also from the Philippines or Indonesia. The blade in scabbard is 28.75" total, with the actual blade 22.5". The blade has some cross-hatches that suggest it is a re-worked file, but a large one? The shape of the blade suggests an oversized talibon, almost a sword. The handle is carved wood. The sheath is wood, bound by rattan. Help? Attached Images

28th August 2012, 09:07 PM	#4
Dave1104 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 23	Thanks Barry and Robert. This blade is not chisel ground. As best I can tell, it is symmetrical on both sides. I do have a classical talibon with the clear chisel ground blade. To my eye, this larger sword does not have that characteristic, although the general shape is there with the exception of it being much larger. (I am attaching a photo with both together for comparison purposes). I'm leaning toward the idea of a re-purposed file due to the symmetrical sides and the visible cross hatching. My guess is 1st half of the 20th century? Dave Attached Images

2nd September 2012, 05:11 AM	#6
Dave1104 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 23	I found this photo on Eriks Edge web site. It looks a lot like my weapon, and is identified as "a long batangas sword". Edited {please read the posting rules link that came with your membership email. } Is this a logical comparison? Last edited by Rick; 2nd September 2012 at 05:23 AM.

28th August 2012, 05:37 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS ONE IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT AS IT HAS FEATURES OF THE TALIABON/ GARAB IN SCABBARD AND HANDLE BUT THE BLADE MORE CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE ITAK. IS THE BLADE CHISEL GROUND (FLAT ON ONE SIDE AND CONVEX ON THE OTHER) I AGREE WITH YOUR OBSERVATION OF THE BLADE LIKELY MADE FROM A FILE. DUE TO THE TEMPER OF THE FILE PERHAPS IT IS NOT SHAPED USING A FORGE BUT SHAPED BY STOCK REMOVAL ANOTHER NICE ONE

28th August 2012, 06:09 AM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I totally agree with Barry on this being a bit more difficult to identify with all its various features. If I had to guess I would say it could be a form of sansibar. Again a very interesting piece, keep them coming. Regards, Robert

28th August 2012, 09:23 PM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I would agree with a dating of first half of the 20th century and that it was more than likely made from a large file or rasp. Here is a link that you might want to check out. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=sansibar It will help you in giving a name to this sword. Regards, Robert