Is it a real sword or a fantasy??

Kubur · 8th February 2017, 02:43 PM

Is it a real sword or a fantasy??
Like a cleaver / pala... should be a fantasy...

drac2k · 8th February 2017, 02:58 PM

First, let me say that it is a very cool piece. I think it is a fantasy sword, if for no other reason than the finger loop is above the guard instead of below it, which kind of defeats the purpose of the guard.

Roland_M · 8th February 2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Is it a real sword or a fantasy??
Like a cleaver / pala... should be a fantasy...

The strange yelman and the curious point give enough clues to say: modern fantasy sword.

Best wishes,
Roland

Oliver Pinchot · 8th February 2017, 04:37 PM

Would it be possible to see detailed pics?

ariel · 8th February 2017, 05:07 PM

At first glance, my reaction is " Far too elaborate for a "fantasy".
A ring outside the crossguard doesn't bother me very much: European ( German, Polish etc) swords had a similar feature on the side.
Intriguing....

Tim Simmons · 8th February 2017, 05:12 PM

I second that. Better pics would help. The ring is in the right place under the back of the sword. it would very hard indeed for an opponent to severe the finger.

Oliver Pinchot · 8th February 2017, 05:14 PM

I asked because it shows Spanish Colonial, Ottoman and Moroccan characteristics which could well have been conflated in a latter 19th century Moroccan environment.

Roland_M · 9th February 2017, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Is it a real sword or a fantasy??
Like a cleaver / pala... should be a fantasy...

Hello,

I was sure, that I already have seen the point of this sword. It took some hours but now I know where. It is the point of a European medieval cleaver or falchion, see the picture.
I know this point from the "Mount and Blade" game, it's one of the most powerful weapons.
So the point of your sword seems to be inspired by a very old European type.

best wishes,
Roland

David R · 9th February 2017, 10:31 PM

Certainly a "bespoke" piece. I would be happy to own it whatever the date it was made.

ariel · 9th February 2017, 11:07 PM

Roland,
Bizarre blades from Maciejowski Bible serve as an inspiration for scores of "Hobbit" fans. But all actual examples of their bladesmithing I've seen can not bite ankles of this puppy's sophistication.

Only the actual owner of this masterpiece can assess the age.
IMHO, it might be cheaper to buy a wootz Shamshir than to order an identical copy.

David · 9th February 2017, 11:13 PM

I've been watching this thread with great interest hoping someone came up with a good answer here.
I will say, just from my own perspective (and this is certainly just semantics on y part) that i would not call this a "fantasy sword". When i do think about "fantasy" blades what springs to mind are cheap, mass produced blades that generally are made at best from 420 steel and are inspired mostly from movies and video games. This, on the other hand, seems to be a hand forged (perhaps) one-off piece that involves some refined level of craft and while exotic it is hardly over the top in its design. Probably a contemporary piece, but a lovely one at that.
Keep digging gentleman and perhaps we will find some interesting answers.
BTW Kubur, where did you source this photo from?

fernando · 10th February 2017, 11:35 AM

In my humble perspective, whether you call it a decorative, a fantasy, an exotic or even a bespoke piece, it certainly wasn't forged to be a 'real sword'. Inspired on whatever original to serve as its muse, it could have less of that than in its autor giving wings to his imagination; resulting more in an object than in a serious weapon.
But then, as se say in my whereabouts, you don't discuss tastes

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Kubur · 10th February 2017, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by David

BTW Kubur, where did you source this photo from?

I really don't know, just picked up on google.
I don't even know if it's a photo... It might be a very well done 3d model for a video game... Nowadays it's difficult to make the difference...
A lot of things are unrealistic such as the suspension rings and the guard...

fernando · 10th February 2017, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

I really don't know, just picked up on google.
I don't even know if it's a photo... It might be a very well done 3d model for a video game... Nowadays it's difficult to make the difference...
A lot of things are unrealistic such as the suspension rings and the guard...

So ...

8th February 2017, 02:43 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Is it a real sword or a fantasy?? Is it a real sword or a fantasy?? Like a cleaver / pala... should be a fantasy... Attached Images

8th February 2017, 02:58 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	First, let me say that it is a very cool piece. I think it is a fantasy sword, if for no other reason than the finger loop is above the guard instead of below it, which kind of defeats the purpose of the guard.

8th February 2017, 04:37 PM	#4
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Would it be possible to see detailed pics?

8th February 2017, 05:07 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	At first glance, my reaction is " Far too elaborate for a "fantasy". A ring outside the crossguard doesn't bother me very much: European ( German, Polish etc) swords had a similar feature on the side. Intriguing....

8th February 2017, 05:12 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	I second that. Better pics would help. The ring is in the right place under the back of the sword. it would very hard indeed for an opponent to severe the finger.

8th February 2017, 05:14 PM	#7
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	I asked because it shows Spanish Colonial, Ottoman and Moroccan characteristics which could well have been conflated in a latter 19th century Moroccan environment.

9th February 2017, 10:31 PM	#9
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	Certainly a "bespoke" piece. I would be happy to own it whatever the date it was made.

9th February 2017, 11:07 PM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Roland, Bizarre blades from Maciejowski Bible serve as an inspiration for scores of "Hobbit" fans. But all actual examples of their bladesmithing I've seen can not bite ankles of this puppy's sophistication. Only the actual owner of this masterpiece can assess the age. IMHO, it might be cheaper to buy a wootz Shamshir than to order an identical copy.

9th February 2017, 11:13 PM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	I've been watching this thread with great interest hoping someone came up with a good answer here. I will say, just from my own perspective (and this is certainly just semantics on y part) that i would not call this a "fantasy sword". When i do think about "fantasy" blades what springs to mind are cheap, mass produced blades that generally are made at best from 420 steel and are inspired mostly from movies and video games. This, on the other hand, seems to be a hand forged (perhaps) one-off piece that involves some refined level of craft and while exotic it is hardly over the top in its design. Probably a contemporary piece, but a lovely one at that. Keep digging gentleman and perhaps we will find some interesting answers. BTW Kubur, where did you source this photo from?

10th February 2017, 11:35 AM	#12
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	In my humble perspective, whether you call it a decorative, a fantasy, an exotic or even a bespoke piece, it certainly wasn't forged to be a 'real sword'. Inspired on whatever original to serve as its muse, it could have less of that than in its autor giving wings to his imagination; resulting more in an object than in a serious weapon. But then, as se say in my whereabouts, you don't discuss tastes .