Ottoman Tufuk Carbine

rickystl · 7th May 2016, 10:29 PM

Hello all.
Here is a new aquistion. This is a rather plain example, with minimum decoration. In fact, it's a bit difficult to see the brass decoration. The patina is so dark it almost blends with the stock stain. There is a makers mark on the lock and barrel. And there is a stress crack on the bottom of the butt stock. The lock is in working order, but needs cleaned and adjustment. The barrel has light engraving with a cannon style muzzle and measures right at .60 caliber. And there's some light engraving on the barrel. In fact, the barrel looks some-what Persian. But probably not. Anyway, this gun will clean up and restore nicely, with minimum fuss. Here's some pics. Thanks for looking.
Rick

rickystl · 7th May 2016, 10:31 PM

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Kubur · 8th May 2016, 04:37 PM

Hi Rick,

Beautiful and nothing is missing!
I see what you mean with the "Persian" stamp on the barrel, the Ottomans did that too. I suspect your barrel to be old...Is it possible to have an 18th c. barrel? Its a simple tufek but very complete. Can you use an oil or a wax to show the difference of wood used for the butt? Which kind of wood is it?

Best,
Kubur

Kubur · 8th May 2016, 04:40 PM

On the lock, normaly the stamp is in the middle of the circle.
Is it possible that the guy was drunk and missed the circle to stamp the edge of the barrel?

rickystl · 11th May 2016, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

On the lock, normaly the stamp is in the middle of the circle.
Is it possible that the guy was drunk and missed the circle to stamp the edge of the barrel?

LOL!! Yes it does seem to be a bit unusual location for a maker's stamp. It's deep too.
Rick

estcrh · 10th May 2016, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rick,

Beautiful and nothing is missing!

Kuber, it looks to me that the butt may have been replaced at one time and may not be original, what do you think?

kahnjar1 · 10th May 2016, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Kuber, it looks to me that the butt may have been replaced at one time and may not be original, what do you think?

The two woods do look different

Kubur · 10th May 2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Kuber, it looks to me that the butt may have been replaced at one time and may not be original, what do you think?

yes the woods are different and they are original. Please, have a look at other Ottoman rifles or tufek you will see always a decoration at 1/2 or 1/3 or the butt. The decoration marks a change in the butt stock. Very often the wood was different, sometimes on the caucasian guns it was a piece of walrus ivory, on the boliya, the butt end is covered with a red textile. On the Arab matchlocks it was another extra piece of wood added around the butt. I don't know the technical reason, I'm sure that Rick will explain that better than me.
Kubur

rickystl · 11th May 2016, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rick,

Beautiful and nothing is missing!
I see what you mean with the "Persian" stamp on the barrel, the Ottomans did that too. I suspect your barrel to be old...Is it possible to have an 18th c. barrel? Its a simple tufek but very complete. Can you use an oil or a wax to show the difference of wood used for the butt? Which kind of wood is it?

Best,
Kubur

Hi Kubur.
Yes the gun is mostly complete. Even the original ramrod, which the patina matches the barrel exactly. Yes, the barrel really does look old. It would not surprise me if the barrel was 18th Century, and re-stocked sometime in the first half of the 19th Century. I'll let you know about the wood. The whole gun needs a good (correct) cleaning. I can do this while the lock is being cleaned and adjusted. Again, the barrel does look really old. I checked, and it's not loaded. LOL
Rick

7th May 2016, 10:29 PM	#1
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Ottoman Tufuk Carbine Hello all. Here is a new aquistion. This is a rather plain example, with minimum decoration. In fact, it's a bit difficult to see the brass decoration. The patina is so dark it almost blends with the stock stain. There is a makers mark on the lock and barrel. And there is a stress crack on the bottom of the butt stock. The lock is in working order, but needs cleaned and adjustment. The barrel has light engraving with a cannon style muzzle and measures right at .60 caliber. And there's some light engraving on the barrel. In fact, the barrel looks some-what Persian. But probably not. Anyway, this gun will clean up and restore nicely, with minimum fuss. Here's some pics. Thanks for looking. Rick Attached Images

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8th May 2016, 04:37 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Rick, Beautiful and nothing is missing! I see what you mean with the "Persian" stamp on the barrel, the Ottomans did that too. I suspect your barrel to be old...Is it possible to have an 18th c. barrel? Its a simple tufek but very complete. Can you use an oil or a wax to show the difference of wood used for the butt? Which kind of wood is it? Best, Kubur

8th May 2016, 04:40 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	On the lock, normaly the stamp is in the middle of the circle. Is it possible that the guy was drunk and missed the circle to stamp the edge of the barrel?