Keris Sedhotan

ganjawulung · 22nd June 2007, 07:21 PM

Dear All,

Is there anyone of you can explain to us about "keris sedhotan"? Is it related to a certain spiritual aspect? A certain rite to empower kerises? Or maybe just "fake spiritual" rite?

Ganjawulung

David · 22nd June 2007, 08:35 PM

Ganja, can you explain a bit more of what it is for those who don't know?

ganjawulung · 22nd June 2007, 09:19 PM

Dear David,

I didn't have experience on this. But what I heard, keris sedhotan is a keris that can be obtained in a certain place, by certain people. Some people believed, that such kerises have certain power... That's what I know...

Ganjawulung

Pangeran Datu · 23rd June 2007, 12:35 AM

AswrWb

Hi all,

Ganjawulung, I'm not to sure if this is what you meant:

Using the more generic term 'Pusaka Sedhotan':

This is a process whereby a pusaka is plucked, seemingly, out of the ground, from inside a tree, from thin air, or indeed, even from inside a rock/boulder.
I have never actually witnessed any of this. Also, the term sedhotan may mean 'by sucking/suction' or 'result of sucking/suction', in the context of: 'sucking something out of something else'.
Please allow me to relate the following story:

I was once travelling from Bandung (West Java) to Jakarta with my son and a life-long friend (NOT my wife

). I convinced him to go via Puncak, which, while taking longer, is always more invigorating to the soul.

Along the way, he started talking about his penca (Sunda martial art) master, who lived in the area. Apparently, the master was old-school: a healer as well as a martial artist. My friend also mentioned that he had once witnessed an event whereby the master had caused kerises (plural) to materialise out of thin air. Being skeptical, I greeted this with a polite response. However, a question sprang up in my mind: How can my well-educated, well-seasoned and well-travelled friend, who doesn't entertain supernatural/paranormal ideas, believe this?
Anyway, we decided to pay the master a courtesy visit.
While there, he spoke with my son (who is a skeptic first, a believer last) about 'kebatinan'/inner-self. At one stage, the master went into a room and came out with a bottle of liquid and asked us to follow him outside.
Once outside, he picked up a piece of metal that was on the ground and poured some of the liquid on it. The metal smoked and changed colour and corroded.
The master then handed the bottle to my son, rolled up his shirt-sleeve and asked my son to pour some anywhere on that arm, which he did accordingly, after much assurance. Nothing happened to his arm. He then asked my son to focus his mind and pour some on his own palm. After MUCH reassurance that the master would not let anything bad happen, my son did so. Nothing happened to his hand. He was then told to pour some of the bottle on any other piece of metal he could find on the ground, to make sure the solution was still potent. Thich he did. The metal hissed and bubbled and corroded.

Trickery?

Should I also believe that this penca master is also a sedhotan master? Not without seeing it. Even though it means that I find what my trusted friend said hard to believe.

All this occurred long before I ever even heard of the term:'Pusaka Sedhotan'.

Anyway, thanks for putting up with my drivel.

Cheers.

WsWrWb

BluErf · 23rd June 2007, 03:42 AM

Not to say that such "supernatural" (or something that is just not understood) acts definitely do not exist, but my rational mind thought about water and Sodium metal.

In its pure state, Sodium is a soft metal. When in contact with water, it would burn and react violently (with hissing and corrosion) to form Sodium hydroxide. I wonder if the ground could have been seeded with Sodium metal or some other similar metal

I have also heard about the case where a bomoh would tell his troubled client that he would need to look in a certain place for a certain keris which would rid him of his troubles. And when the client looked, sure enough, there was a keris buried in the vicinity.

But I'd like to see these things for myself someday.

PenangsangII · 23rd June 2007, 04:02 AM

Blu & Pangeran,

IMHO, the pencak master & the bomoh exploits can be categorized as either trickery or black magic (sihir / istidraj), or both. I would stay away from them if I were you.

Another thing, if a keris can simply be obtained thru suction / sedhotan, then I fear one day, empus, pandai keris, keris craftsmen will be out of job

22nd June 2007, 07:21 PM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Keris Sedhotan Dear All, Is there anyone of you can explain to us about "keris sedhotan"? Is it related to a certain spiritual aspect? A certain rite to empower kerises? Or maybe just "fake spiritual" rite? Ganjawulung

23rd June 2007, 12:35 AM	#4
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	AswrWb Hi all, Ganjawulung, I'm not to sure if this is what you meant: Using the more generic term 'Pusaka Sedhotan': This is a process whereby a pusaka is plucked, seemingly, out of the ground, from inside a tree, from thin air, or indeed, even from inside a rock/boulder. I have never actually witnessed any of this. Also, the term sedhotan may mean 'by sucking/suction' or 'result of sucking/suction', in the context of: 'sucking something out of something else'. Please allow me to relate the following story: I was once travelling from Bandung (West Java) to Jakarta with my son and a life-long friend (NOT my wife). I convinced him to go via Puncak, which, while taking longer, is always more invigorating to the soul. Along the way, he started talking about his penca (Sunda martial art) master, who lived in the area. Apparently, the master was old-school: a healer as well as a martial artist. My friend also mentioned that he had once witnessed an event whereby the master had caused kerises (plural) to materialise out of thin air. Being skeptical, I greeted this with a polite response. However, a question sprang up in my mind: How can my well-educated, well-seasoned and well-travelled friend, who doesn't entertain supernatural/paranormal ideas, believe this? Anyway, we decided to pay the master a courtesy visit. While there, he spoke with my son (who is a skeptic first, a believer last) about 'kebatinan'/inner-self. At one stage, the master went into a room and came out with a bottle of liquid and asked us to follow him outside. Once outside, he picked up a piece of metal that was on the ground and poured some of the liquid on it. The metal smoked and changed colour and corroded. The master then handed the bottle to my son, rolled up his shirt-sleeve and asked my son to pour some anywhere on that arm, which he did accordingly, after much assurance. Nothing happened to his arm. He then asked my son to focus his mind and pour some on his own palm. After MUCH reassurance that the master would not let anything bad happen, my son did so. Nothing happened to his hand. He was then told to pour some of the bottle on any other piece of metal he could find on the ground, to make sure the solution was still potent. Thich he did. The metal hissed and bubbled and corroded. Trickery? Should I also believe that this penca master is also a sedhotan master? Not without seeing it. Even though it means that I find what my trusted friend said hard to believe. All this occurred long before I ever even heard of the term:'Pusaka Sedhotan'. Anyway, thanks for putting up with my drivel. Cheers. WsWrWb Last edited by Pangeran Datu; 23rd June 2007 at 01:29 AM.

22nd June 2007, 08:35 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,061	Ganja, can you explain a bit more of what it is for those who don't know?

22nd June 2007, 09:19 PM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear David, I didn't have experience on this. But what I heard, keris sedhotan is a keris that can be obtained in a certain place, by certain people. Some people believed, that such kerises have certain power... That's what I know... Ganjawulung

23rd June 2007, 03:42 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Not to say that such "supernatural" (or something that is just not understood) acts definitely do not exist, but my rational mind thought about water and Sodium metal. In its pure state, Sodium is a soft metal. When in contact with water, it would burn and react violently (with hissing and corrosion) to form Sodium hydroxide. I wonder if the ground could have been seeded with Sodium metal or some other similar metal I have also heard about the case where a bomoh would tell his troubled client that he would need to look in a certain place for a certain keris which would rid him of his troubles. And when the client looked, sure enough, there was a keris buried in the vicinity. But I'd like to see these things for myself someday.

23rd June 2007, 04:02 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Blu & Pangeran, IMHO, the pencak master & the bomoh exploits can be categorized as either trickery or black magic (sihir / istidraj), or both. I would stay away from them if I were you. Another thing, if a keris can simply be obtained thru suction / sedhotan, then I fear one day, empus, pandai keris, keris craftsmen will be out of job