Mandau bone hilt

lelang69 · 8th June 2006, 10:21 PM

dear list,

here I have the Bone hilt of Mandau dayak for sale. the dimension is 10.5 cms/long

if you are interesting please contact me,lelang69@yahoo.com,

Andrew · 9th June 2006, 06:32 PM

Lelang, can you provide any additional information about this piece? How have you determined it is bone?

Mark · 9th June 2006, 10:50 PM

I recently learned from a U.S. Fish & Wildlife inspector a trick for distinguishing bone from, for example, ivory or plastic. Under an ultra-violet light, bone will glow white, while plastic will not glow at all and just looks dark, and ivory will glow VERY bright white. It was a cool trick, and easier than the "burn and sniff test" or squinting at it through a magnifier to look for microstructure. The problem is getting a UV light.

mross · 9th June 2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Bowditch

I recently learned from a U.S. Fish & Wildlife inspector a trick for distinguishing bone from, for example, ivory or plastic. Under an ultra-violet light, bone will glow white, while plastic will not glow at all and just looks dark, and ivory will glow VERY bright white. It was a cool trick, and easier than the "burn and sniff test" or squinting at it through a magnifier to look for microstructure. The problem is getting a UV light.

Would this help?

http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum5044.php

Mark · 9th June 2006, 11:33 PM

Great! Everything I was finding was lab-grade equipment costing $100 or more. Thanks.

VANDOO · 10th June 2006, 04:18 AM

ON A POOR CAST THERE ARE OFTEN BUBBLES THE MORE BUBBLES THE WORSE THE CASTING. THEY APPEAR AS LITTLE HOLES THAT ARE SPHERICAL ON THE INSIDE. A GOOD CAST WILL HAVE VERY FEW OR PERHAPS NONE AT ALL. THE ITALIANS DO A GOOD JOB ON THIER CASTING OF STATUES AND FIGURINES AND SOME OF THE FAKE IVORY IS ALSO WELL DONE. BUBBLES GET TRAPED BETWEEN THE MOLD AND THE CASTING MATERIAL WHEN IT IS POURED INTO THE MOLD. IF THERE ARE BUBBLES IN THE CASTING MATERIAL IT CAN ALSO CAUSE PROBLEMS. THERE IS A ANTI BUBBLE SOLUTION TO COAT THE INSIDE OF MOLDS AND THE APLICATION OF VIBRATION OFTEN HELPS TO GET THE BUBBLES OUT.

lelang69 · 10th June 2006, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Lelang, can you provide any additional information about this piece? How have you determined it is bone?

dear Andrew, Mark, Mross, and vandoo,

Thanks for the fiewing the hilt.

I am not the expert or scientist who can detect it is bone or not.

The dayak himself, MR Bangking. the iban dayak give me this hilt from the heard of borneo. was he a lier? i don't know. can he make a plastic, casting etc. I am sure he didn't. he just an farmer and hunter for a living.

It's just i explain it to you.

If you want to know the price please sent me an e-mail at, lelang69@yahoo.com,

thanks very much

regards,

Tonny

Indonesia

Valjhun · 10th June 2006, 06:11 PM

Dear Lelang,

The question is not where have you found it but rather if the community believes you.

To me it looks more like genuine "alien" or maybe "predator" bone

RhysMichael · 10th June 2006, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lelang69

dear Andrew, Mark, Mross, and vandoo,

Thanks for the fiewing the hilt.

I am not the expert or scientist who can detect it is bone or not.

The dayak himself, MR Bangking. the iban dayak give me this hilt from the heard of borneo. was he a lier? i don't know. can he make a plastic, casting etc. I am sure he didn't. he just an farmer and hunter for a living.

It's just i explain it to you.

If you want to know the price please sent me an e-mail at, lelang69@yahoo.com,

thanks very much

regards,

Tonny

Indonesia

Tonny
I do not think anyone was questioning your honesty or that of the person you got it from. Instead I believe this was an academic interest from those of us trying to learn how to make such evaluations. Its often hard to tell what a hilt is made of and would be even harder to tell what type of bone or ivory it is. So we plug along and pick up tricks to tell such things when we can to make us more informed collectors. Sometimes like this case the data comes from providence and that is good too but it will not help us with the next sword hilt we are looking at as much as say the black light info would.
John

VANDOO · 11th June 2006, 01:23 AM

I CAN'T JUDGE FROM A PICTURE WHAT A ITEM IS MADE OF, MANDAU HANDLES ARE USUALLY WOOD OR DEER ANTLER, THERE IS ONE CURRENTLY POSTED OF HUMAN BONE WHICH IS VERY RARE. I HAVEN'T SEEN A CAST MANDAU HANDLE YET BUT HAVE SEEN SEVERAL TYPES OF WEAPONS COMING OUT OF INDONESIA THAT HAVE CAST HANDLES AND SOMETIMES SCABBARDS AS WELL.

I AM NOT JUDGEING YOUR ITEM ,YOUR SOURCE OR SAYING IT IS CAST OR NOT AS I CAN'T TELL FROM THE PHOTOS. I AM JUST SUPPLYING SOME OF THE THINGS TO LOOK FOR IF IT IS CAST SO YOU CAN BETTER JUDGE WHAT YOU HAVE. IT DOES LOOK DIFFERENT THAN MOST MANDAU HANDLES, A LOT ROUGHER. GOOD LUCK

lelang69 · 11th June 2006, 09:17 AM

thanks very much. for the opinion.

It\s very usefull for me. the mandau hilt was sold.

thanks for viewing

Andrew · 3rd January 2007, 06:26 AM

Let's move on, gentlemen. Thank you.

8th June 2006, 10:21 PM	#1
lelang69 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 60	Mandau bone hilt dear list, here I have the Bone hilt of Mandau dayak for sale. the dimension is 10.5 cms/long if you are interesting please contact me,lelang69@yahoo.com, Attached Images

9th June 2006, 06:32 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Lelang, can you provide any additional information about this piece? How have you determined it is bone?

9th June 2006, 10:50 PM	#3
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I recently learned from a U.S. Fish & Wildlife inspector a trick for distinguishing bone from, for example, ivory or plastic. Under an ultra-violet light, bone will glow white, while plastic will not glow at all and just looks dark, and ivory will glow VERY bright white. It was a cool trick, and easier than the "burn and sniff test" or squinting at it through a magnifier to look for microstructure. The problem is getting a UV light.

9th June 2006, 11:33 PM	#5
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Great! Everything I was finding was lab-grade equipment costing $100 or more. Thanks.

10th June 2006, 04:18 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ON A POOR CAST THERE ARE OFTEN BUBBLES THE MORE BUBBLES THE WORSE THE CASTING. THEY APPEAR AS LITTLE HOLES THAT ARE SPHERICAL ON THE INSIDE. A GOOD CAST WILL HAVE VERY FEW OR PERHAPS NONE AT ALL. THE ITALIANS DO A GOOD JOB ON THIER CASTING OF STATUES AND FIGURINES AND SOME OF THE FAKE IVORY IS ALSO WELL DONE. BUBBLES GET TRAPED BETWEEN THE MOLD AND THE CASTING MATERIAL WHEN IT IS POURED INTO THE MOLD. IF THERE ARE BUBBLES IN THE CASTING MATERIAL IT CAN ALSO CAUSE PROBLEMS. THERE IS A ANTI BUBBLE SOLUTION TO COAT THE INSIDE OF MOLDS AND THE APLICATION OF VIBRATION OFTEN HELPS TO GET THE BUBBLES OUT.

10th June 2006, 06:11 PM	#8
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Dear Lelang, The question is not where have you found it but rather if the community believes you. To me it looks more like genuine "alien" or maybe "predator" bone

11th June 2006, 01:23 AM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I CAN'T JUDGE FROM A PICTURE WHAT A ITEM IS MADE OF, MANDAU HANDLES ARE USUALLY WOOD OR DEER ANTLER, THERE IS ONE CURRENTLY POSTED OF HUMAN BONE WHICH IS VERY RARE. I HAVEN'T SEEN A CAST MANDAU HANDLE YET BUT HAVE SEEN SEVERAL TYPES OF WEAPONS COMING OUT OF INDONESIA THAT HAVE CAST HANDLES AND SOMETIMES SCABBARDS AS WELL. I AM NOT JUDGEING YOUR ITEM ,YOUR SOURCE OR SAYING IT IS CAST OR NOT AS I CAN'T TELL FROM THE PHOTOS. I AM JUST SUPPLYING SOME OF THE THINGS TO LOOK FOR IF IT IS CAST SO YOU CAN BETTER JUDGE WHAT YOU HAVE. IT DOES LOOK DIFFERENT THAN MOST MANDAU HANDLES, A LOT ROUGHER. GOOD LUCK

11th June 2006, 09:17 AM	#11
lelang69 Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 60	thanks very much. for the opinion. It\s very usefull for me. the mandau hilt was sold. thanks for viewing

3rd January 2007, 06:26 AM	#12
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Let's move on, gentlemen. Thank you.