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Old 11th July 2012, 09:32 AM   #1
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Default Weapon (possibly) and translation please

I have it on good authority that this is/could be a weapon if accurately thrown by an angry wife!!
Anyway to hopefully get a translation of the cartouche by one of our kind Arabic speaking Members, I show this beautiful old Omani coffee pot which has come my way. Height is 30cm (12")
Thanks in advance,
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Old 11th July 2012, 10:12 AM   #2
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It is a flagon, for water or wine or whatever. the inscription is the name of the maker, work of Rafiq ... can't make out the rest.
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Old 11th July 2012, 11:49 AM   #3
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Hi Stu,

As you say, it's a 'coffee pot' usually known as a 'Dallah' (In Arabic: دلة‎).
Will make a nice addition to your 'theme'. Sit it on a folding tray topped table with some other bits... or a nice Hookah!
Very popular across the Arabian/Islamic world, your's looks to have some age, I'd date it to mid 20thC give or take a little.

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Nice Dallah. Seems to be saying "Shughl Rafeeq Bahs" (work of Rafeeq Bahs)

I know a guy who collects Dallahs, will show it to him maybe he can trace the maker.
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Old 11th July 2012, 12:56 PM   #5
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Traditional coffee-making pot, directly on open fire, still used today in the Bedouin community for ceremonies. Here it is called bakraj, I believe the word derived from turkish.
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Old 11th July 2012, 04:43 PM   #6
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Dhellah, brass, tinned inside, Late 20th C probably Syrian not Omani.
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Old 11th July 2012, 08:02 PM   #7
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Nice Dallah. Seems to be saying "Shughl Rafeeq Bahs" (work of Rafeeq Bahs)

I know a guy who collects Dallahs, will show it to him maybe he can trace the maker.
Thanks for the translation Lofty. You seem at least to be able to stick to the original intention of this thread. This pot was bought in the Matrah souk in the early 1970s.
IBRAHIIM. You say that your main source of coffee pots is mainly Syria, so how it it that you advertise them as Omani??
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Thanks for the translation Lofty. You seem at least to be able to stick to the original intention of this thread. This pot was bought in the Matrah souk in the early 1970s.
IBRAHIIM. You say that your main source of coffee pots is mainly Syria, so how it it that you advertise them as Omani??

My Apologies for diverting your thread Stu,
I did 'circle' the point though
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Old 12th July 2012, 07:22 AM   #9
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Thanks for the translation Lofty. You seem at least to be able to stick to the original intention of this thread. This pot was bought in the Matrah souk in the early 1970s.
IBRAHIIM. You say that your main source of coffee pots is mainly Syria, so how it it that you advertise them as Omani??

Salaams kahnjar1 ~I cannot speak of commercial issues on this forum related to my private business, however, just to set the line straight I deal with coffee pots from the entire Arabian region... and that includes Syria whilst the majority of my coffee pots(about 150 of them) are Omani.

On the point of your purchase you must realise that sometimes even in Oman (and especially Mutrah Souk which is 80% infilitrated by outsiders including Thai, Indian, Pakistani, Syrian, ...China and everywhere) you may get taken.

However your line of text is somewhat puzzling if not a little rude, therefor, in conclusion, and while protesting complete submission to the learned on all matters connected with Oriental lore, I take my stand against the merely untravelled critic in the words of the excellent Arabic proverb, which says;
"The off fore-foot of my donkey stands upon the centre of the earth. If you don't believe me, go and measure for yourself."

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Note; For those that think this is not an ethnographic weapon ~ This is one of the oldest weapons of the assassin... Poison applied to a sheikhs coffee was probably the most common way of disposing ....thus the reason for the stones in the lid. The rattle of stone on metal is a most unusual sound in the desert and proved to be a reliable alarm...in addition the head slave of the Sheikh was solely responsible for the coffee as the most trusted of his men. Early form of biological and chemical warfare !

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