Sossun Pattah??

shayde78 · 11th February 2021, 08:33 PM

I will post much more complete information soon, but I just acquired this tulwar hilted sword, and wanted to try and get some preliminary impressions.
Would this be considered a sossun pattah? I've not seen one that is truly recurved (i.e. curving downward, then back up), so i don't know if this falls into that classification, or something else.
The blade is somewhat diminutive when compared to my only other example of a standard tulwar. However, it does have well executed triple fullers that are forged (rather than ground in). So I'm inclined to see this as a proper weapon.
As I said, I will post more complete details and pictures soon, but am.eager to hear from you all.
Thanks!

David R · 11th February 2021, 11:25 PM

I would suggest this is a "Naga" or snake blade rather than a Sosun Pata.

mariusgmioc · 11th February 2021, 11:26 PM

Yep, sossun pattah but I am not familiar with this type of blade. But I can distinguish some kind of Indian ricasso.

shayde78 · 12th February 2021, 12:00 AM

Thanks both for your quick replies!

As promised a bit more information, and some additional pictures (forgive the horrendous quality!).

The sword in question:
28" total length
23.25" blade
4mm blade thickness at hilt
1lb 2.4oz total weight

triple fullered
Indian ricasso (spot on Marius)

I'm showing below compared to a more traditional tulwar (weight 1lb 13.8 oz; just under 5mm blade thickness at hilt; total length 34.5")

Again, the pictures are bad - apologies.
[Oh, and this was part of a lot of rusty weapons - I will certainly be addressing the red rust in the near future. I also have an ancient looking kindjal that was part of this lot that I'll be posting on here soon - be on the look out!]

Battara · 12th February 2021, 03:09 AM

I know I'm going against the grain here, but I would not call this a sosun pata because I don't see the recurved blade like a yataghan.

shayde78 · 12th February 2021, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I know I'm going against the grain here, but I would not call this a sosun pata because I don't see the recurved blade like a yataghan.

Quite right, Battara, hence my question. Is this an exaggerated form of a sosun pattah, or an entirely different form? So far, I've found but one other example with a blade like this. It was called a sosun pattah, but, as you say, the swords typically called by that name have blades very much like a yataghan.

mariusgmioc · 12th February 2021, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I know I'm going against the grain here, but I would not call this a sosun pata because I don't see the recurved blade like a yataghan.

I can clearly see the recurved (consisting of two opposing curves) shape like a Yathagan.
Here below they are!
The first curve defines a concavity of the edge, the second a convexity.

So I think it IS a "sossun patah" or however it is spelled correctly.
However, the blade is somehow different from the classic sossun patah because it appears that the blade was recurved in later stages of its making.

Ian · 12th February 2021, 01:22 PM

I too think this is a recurved blade, but it does not resemble any other sossun patah I've seen.

11th February 2021, 08:33 PM	#1
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Sossun Pattah?? I will post much more complete information soon, but I just acquired this tulwar hilted sword, and wanted to try and get some preliminary impressions. Would this be considered a sossun pattah? I've not seen one that is truly recurved (i.e. curving downward, then back up), so i don't know if this falls into that classification, or something else. The blade is somewhat diminutive when compared to my only other example of a standard tulwar. However, it does have well executed triple fullers that are forged (rather than ground in). So I'm inclined to see this as a proper weapon. As I said, I will post more complete details and pictures soon, but am.eager to hear from you all. Thanks! Attached Images

12th February 2021, 12:00 AM	#4
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Thanks both for your quick replies! As promised a bit more information, and some additional pictures (forgive the horrendous quality!). The sword in question: 28" total length 23.25" blade 4mm blade thickness at hilt 1lb 2.4oz total weight triple fullered Indian ricasso (spot on Marius) I'm showing below compared to a more traditional tulwar (weight 1lb 13.8 oz; just under 5mm blade thickness at hilt; total length 34.5") Again, the pictures are bad - apologies. [Oh, and this was part of a lot of rusty weapons - I will certainly be addressing the red rust in the near future. I also have an ancient looking kindjal that was part of this lot that I'll be posting on here soon - be on the look out!] Attached Images Last edited by shayde78; 12th February 2021 at 12:11 AM.

11th February 2021, 11:25 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I would suggest this is a "Naga" or snake blade rather than a Sosun Pata.

11th February 2021, 11:26 PM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Yep, sossun pattah but I am not familiar with this type of blade. But I can distinguish some kind of Indian ricasso.

12th February 2021, 03:09 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I know I'm going against the grain here, but I would not call this a sosun pata because I don't see the recurved blade like a yataghan.

12th February 2021, 01:22 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	I too think this is a recurved blade, but it does not resemble any other sossun patah I've seen.