Katipunan

Bill M · 10th March 2007, 02:56 PM

Trying to start a Katipunan thread and not wanting to hyjack VVV's thread about his marvelous kris. I found an old thread I started about three years ago on a dagger I had just gotten.

Anyone care to post ideas on the Katipunan? Not just this piece, but in general?

http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002102.html

Battara · 10th March 2007, 07:06 PM

Well, to repeat myself over and over again (

) here is what I said in another post:

"On the Katipunan question, the sun with a face is a definite Katipunan emblem and was in fact incorporated later into the Malolos flag when the government as set up around latge 1899. It is a form of Malay sun and the rays in this case represent the 8 original provinces that revolted this last time against the Spanish. Later some of the Visayas revolted, like Bohol island, Negros, etc."

And then about yours specifically:

"Bill - yours is the best example I have ever seen (grumble,grumble,envy,envy

). I would add that it may have belonged to a general."

I love the silver mounts.

kino · 11th March 2007, 07:37 PM

Not an edged weapon but a Katipunan piece non the less.
Flag/standard pole finial. Dimensions H-16", W-9.5". Heavy, silver. It has the similar eight rayed sun with a face.

Battara · 13th March 2007, 02:36 AM

Kino,

thats a great piece!

Would love to know where you found it! Thanks for sharing it.

Bill M · 24th March 2007, 01:56 AM

I think that Battara has a point. Perhaps this dagger did belong to a general, maybe General Leandro Fullon?

http://www.geocities.com/leandro_fullon/index.html

I like his quote, "Soldiers: be always prudent, respectful and loving to the country in all your acts, and be an example of morality, subordination, discipline and obedience to your superiors, and avoid everything which may defame your conduct, fame and good military reputation, for if you do so you will be blessed and applauded by cultured people, the present and future generations.
--Leandro Fullon y Locsin, Letter to Field and Line Officers, Non-commissioned
Officers and Soldiers, 2 June 1900 [original in Spanish L.S. P.I.R. 977.3]

Can anybbody tell me what the "Pral" means?

And BTW this dagger is not for sale. I have a recipient in mind to whom it will be bequeathed.

Dimasalang · 10th March 2009, 02:57 AM

Sorry to bring this post up from the dead, but I think I can add some useful info to this thread for possible future reference.

The first portion of the engraving I would definitely say looks to say "Jral".
The Katipunan and the 1st Republic of the Philippines used Spanish titles. "General" in Spanish can be spelled "Heneral" or "Jeneral". The Abbreviation for Jeneral in Spanish is "Jral". It can also be Hral or Gral, but that looks like a "J" engraving to me.

"G", "H", and "J" are typically pronounced the same way in Spanish...so you can use them interchangeably.

10th March 2007, 02:56 PM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Katipunan Trying to start a Katipunan thread and not wanting to hyjack VVV's thread about his marvelous kris. I found an old thread I started about three years ago on a dagger I had just gotten. Anyone care to post ideas on the Katipunan? Not just this piece, but in general? http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002102.html

11th March 2007, 07:37 PM	#3
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	Not an edged weapon but a Katipunan piece non the less. Flag/standard pole finial. Dimensions H-16", W-9.5". Heavy, silver. It has the similar eight rayed sun with a face. Attached Images

13th March 2007, 02:36 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Kino, thats a great piece! Would love to know where you found it! Thanks for sharing it. Last edited by Rick; 13th March 2007 at 03:20 AM.

24th March 2007, 01:56 AM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	I think that Battara has a point. Perhaps this dagger did belong to a general, maybe General Leandro Fullon? http://www.geocities.com/leandro_fullon/index.html I like his quote, "Soldiers: be always prudent, respectful and loving to the country in all your acts, and be an example of morality, subordination, discipline and obedience to your superiors, and avoid everything which may defame your conduct, fame and good military reputation, for if you do so you will be blessed and applauded by cultured people, the present and future generations. --Leandro Fullon y Locsin, Letter to Field and Line Officers, Non-commissioned Officers and Soldiers, 2 June 1900 [original in Spanish L.S. P.I.R. 977.3] Can anybbody tell me what the "Pral" means? And BTW this dagger is not for sale. I have a recipient in mind to whom it will be bequeathed. Attached Images

10th March 2007, 07:06 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Well, to repeat myself over and over again ( ) here is what I said in another post: "On the Katipunan question, the sun with a face is a definite Katipunan emblem and was in fact incorporated later into the Malolos flag when the government as set up around latge 1899. It is a form of Malay sun and the rays in this case represent the 8 original provinces that revolted this last time against the Spanish. Later some of the Visayas revolted, like Bohol island, Negros, etc." And then about yours specifically: "Bill - yours is the best example I have ever seen (grumble,grumble,envy,envy ). I would add that it may have belonged to a general." I love the silver mounts.

10th March 2009, 02:57 AM	#6
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	Sorry to bring this post up from the dead, but I think I can add some useful info to this thread for possible future reference. The first portion of the engraving I would definitely say looks to say "Jral". The Katipunan and the 1st Republic of the Philippines used Spanish titles. "General" in Spanish can be spelled "Heneral" or "Jeneral". The Abbreviation for Jeneral in Spanish is "Jral". It can also be Hral or Gral, but that looks like a "J" engraving to me. "G", "H", and "J" are typically pronounced the same way in Spanish...so you can use them interchangeably.