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Hi Everyone,
I think that I may have what I believe to be a 19thC Turkish Shamshir and would welcome your confirmation or other wise and any comments you may have. Thanking you in advance Miguel |
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Forgot to include Armourers stamp.
Miguel |
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You are correct: definitely Ottoman and 19th century. I do believe this is one of the early military regulation patterns in the Ottoman army. It would appear that officers were allowed to keep heirloom blades and re-hilt them, as I have seen all kinds of blades with this hilt pattern.
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Yes, it's a beautiful Turkish officer sword, called also Turkish military sword.
I have one too that I'll post later. But yours is better, with the stamp... This kind of sword is from 1890-1910...Maybe yours is slightly early from 1870-1890... I like the old and funny try to fix the guard. Last point, it's not a shamshir, but a kilij in Turkish or a saif in Arabic. Best, Kubur |
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Agree with Teodor, many of these have all kinds of blades, European and/or earlier blades. I saw a few with early wootz blades.
Do you think this blade is Persian, Caucasian, or could be Armenian(?). Quote:
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I agree, but to complete your post Kilij is a sword in Turkish, no more. "Pronounced curve and yelman", I guess you describe a pala Best, Kubur |
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Hello Miguel very nice protected piece you have here belongs to time Sultan 2nd Abdülhamid times there was a cavalary unit called Ertuğrul Alayı and this sword we call in Turkey as Ertuğrul Alayı Kılıcı ( Sword of Ertuğrul Alayı) has a definitive crossguard is speacially made for this cavalary unit and hilt is slighly different ( but very smiliar ) than usual pear shaped pommel and blade is different than late period kilij and also used in another regions of Ottoman too. as i see the blade is as well original staying in your piece
with Best regards O. Baskurt Last edited by O. Baskurt; 22nd October 2015 at 09:46 PM. |
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I think the sword discussed in the link bellow http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...european+blade fits in the discusion! It has a european blade with a pala hilt.
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A few different saif/sayf references. The top left image is from George Stones book, he shows an Indian sword and a sword from Java as being saif, Stone mentions saif as having a "hooked pommel". The top right image from the "Official Report of the Calcutta International Exhibition, 1883-84" mentions two types of Indian swords as being "saif-i-janubi" and "saif-i-halbi". The third image is from "Oriental Armour" by H. Russell Robinson, he calls Mamluk swords "saif". The bottom two images are from Artzi, they show two completely different types of swords being called "saif".
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All these swords are Arabian saifs. What is your point?
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