Sea Monster-Shaped Arquebus, Italian, 15th C?

cannonmn · 22nd December 2011, 10:42 PM

This gun has a 20mm bore, is wrought iron, about 36 in. long, weighs about 20 lbs. The stand is 20th C. This came from the Bivins Collection in CA., and is pictured in Bivins Collection Book "Vari-Type Firearms." The only intelligible marks on top are "VALOROSO SCOPIECTO FERISCI EL PIETO" or something close to that. It has been translates as "brave gun wounds to the chest" and is a not-too-clever rhyme. Some linguists I've consulted say the little rhyme is written in Spanish-tainted Italian, if that means anything. The gun resembles the Pistrice Monster depicted in stone carvings in various places in Italy, notably the Amalfi Coast. The Royal Armouries wanted to test the metal in it, so a small sample was taken and tested, and found to have an excessive amount of phosphorous compared to other early wrought iron. I am looking for any information on any similar weapons and what is known about them, because I've found almost no information on guns of this form in the 25 years I've owned it. This style must not have "caught on."

cannonmn · 22nd December 2011, 10:44 PM

cannonmn · 22nd December 2011, 10:45 PM

Matchlock · 22nd December 2011, 11:08 PM

Hi John,

Although especially the muzzle section clearly reflects the Italian Renaissance taste the piece obviously is a relatively modern though lavish wrought reproduction. As with many items in Dexter's (not Bivens's, he was one of the collectors) Scrapbooks, is is far from being kosher. It's just overexaggerated in both style and crafts; e.d., such a kind on grip is characteristic of the 19th c. Neo-Renaissance period.

Best,
Michael

cannonmn · 22nd December 2011, 11:43 PM

Thanks Michael, good to know, glad I haven't wasted any money insuring it!

Matchlock · 23rd December 2011, 02:11 AM

Fine, John,

At least my job paid then ...

m

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cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Sea Monster-Shaped Arquebus, Italian, 15th C? This gun has a 20mm bore, is wrought iron, about 36 in. long, weighs about 20 lbs. The stand is 20th C. This came from the Bivins Collection in CA., and is pictured in Bivins Collection Book "Vari-Type Firearms." The only intelligible marks on top are "VALOROSO SCOPIECTO FERISCI EL PIETO" or something close to that. It has been translates as "brave gun wounds to the chest" and is a not-too-clever rhyme. Some linguists I've consulted say the little rhyme is written in Spanish-tainted Italian, if that means anything. The gun resembles the Pistrice Monster depicted in stone carvings in various places in Italy, notably the Amalfi Coast. The Royal Armouries wanted to test the metal in it, so a small sample was taken and tested, and found to have an excessive amount of phosphorous compared to other early wrought iron. I am looking for any information on any similar weapons and what is known about them, because I've found almost no information on guns of this form in the 25 years I've owned it. This style must not have "caught on."

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Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi John, Although especially the muzzle section clearly reflects the Italian Renaissance taste the piece obviously is a relatively modern though lavish wrought reproduction. As with many items in Dexter's (not Bivens's, he was one of the collectors) Scrapbooks, is is far from being kosher. It's just overexaggerated in both style and crafts; e.d., such a kind on grip is characteristic of the 19th c. Neo-Renaissance period. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 22nd December 2011 at 11:29 PM.

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cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Thanks Michael, good to know, glad I haven't wasted any money insuring it!

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Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Fine, John, At least my job paid then ... m