cultures moderation tips for keris lovers

[purwacarita]

Background story, ...I must start with actual problem that might catch you a victim also.

Once upon a time there was a keris (mahar)ed at Rp.10mil, a guy came with a paranormal who will test the isoteric aspect of the blade. The paranormal then advised to the guy that it was a keris of strong isoteric properties and so... It was dealed and money was given WITH a warranty of whole refund if the keris was to be returned without damage.

After a few time, the guy brought the keris to local priest for cleansing, and the priest said that the keris was a new one and did not have any isoteric properties. The guy seemed to believe the priest more than the paranormal.

Well, the keris was not cleansed and the guy would like to return the keris for refund. The paranormal disagreed as it was handed over under term 'mahar', the dealer received the keris and promised refund at the time he SOLD the keris to other people because he lacked of money at that time. The guy believed the dealer and the keris was once again in the hand of the dealer.

And as time goes by, the dealer never again show up, changed his mobile phone number. The guy lost both his money and keris, ...and the paranormal said that it was his karma for selling (mahar)ed keris.

Damn.

[Rick]

This stuff is all too common in the world of keris dealing .
As a distinguished acquaintance once told me : buy the keris ,not the story .

[nechesh]

It sounds to me as if the paranormal might have been working with the dealer. I have to wonder, if the person buying a keris cannot "feel" the energy of a certain keris for himself, if they are not sensitive to the esorteric properties, what is the purpose of asking a paranormal to tell you what you SHOULD "feel" from it. What good is the esorteric energy of a keris if the owner cannot attune himself to it? Living a spiritual and mystical life is a path, one that requires work. People like the gentleman in your story ALLOW themselves to be victimized by surrendering their own spiritual selves to paranormals, psychics and dukkuns and allowing others to dictate to them what they need to learn to sense and feel on their own. While i do believe that there are psychics and dukkuns who are both honest and sincere, there is a very long history of charlatans working this side of the street for a mighty profit.

[John]

One peculiar thing about people is that it's really not a keris or object they are buying or looking for but the inherent "power" of it and there are those who are quite willing to pay for them. I guess many would know what I mean. I know a certain guy who pays tens of thousands of ringgits collecting Siamese talismans from Thailand and no doubt there are ones looking for keris "powers". And arising from the "power" commercialism there's this familiar "story" phenomenon.

[nechesh]

Hi John. I certainly know what you mean about people who are out to buy power, but i'm afraid it's a bit like what the Beatles said about love, you really can't. There is no easy road or shortcut to accumulating spiritual power in ones life. It must be earned. But this is probably why these fast talking keris dealers are able to continue fooling people. Our spieces has a tendency to believe what it wants to believe. But those looking to buy spiritual balance in their lives are bound to lose.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by purwacarita

Once upon a time there was a keris (mahar)ed at Rp.10mil,

Purwacarita:

Am I correct in inferring that the person in your story paid the equivalent of about 1,000 US dollars for this keris only to find out it was a recently made piece? And then lost not only his money but the keris too?

That sounds like a very painful lesson.

Ian.

[Boedhi Adhitya]

That's what would be happened if we treated the keris as amulet / talismanic devices. The Javanese elders had warn us, the Javaneses, by this saying :"Janjine dudu jimat-kemat, ananging agunging Gusti kang pinuji", that means "The promise was not amulet, but to praise The Great Lord" Anyone who understand the keris-making process will know that empu said nothing during the forging, but prayer to God. Keris worth more than amulet.

Without enough knowledges, the bad keris dealers/dukuns in Java will eat you alive, if you looking kerises on them ! Trust no ones, even me

Mr. Purwacarita, if you or your friends really interested in keris and live in Java, you might go to discussion session held by keris' devotee associations. In Jakarta would be the Damar Taji, in Semarang would be the Puri Wiji, and in Jogjakarta would be the Pametri Wiji. IMHO, they are trustworthy associations. You might learn something, but remember, just use your common senses.

best regards

[Battara]

You know, Boedhi Adhitya has a good point. The same is true of Japanese nihonto sword collecting. Getting together with those who collect, ie. forums (like this one), associations, etc, will help us all on not getting taken. I had a Japanese piece that I discovered was a Paul Chen and was able to get my money back (due to the honest dealer and the feedback of the nihonto guys on the swordforum.com).

[purwacarita]

Thankx for your (culturic?) tips. It is the fact that most people in Indonesia buy keris to acquire the isoteric properties inside, rather than to have the physical keris itself. Most of them still think of keris dealers are from sacred, sincere communities and that what makes them, ...gullible. I've been very concerned but I don't want you guys think I have vendetta against any dealers. For a value of Rp.10mil (or more), people will want the best keris with the best isoteric properties feasible, and for the same reason people will want to say their keris have all the properties required. Yes Ian, it is around the same value.

Here's my first tip.

Ask the question to the dealer, "Why the keris is mahar-ed at some value of money, instead of anything else?"

You can understand the meaning of mahar in cases like,
- the bearer realizing the perishing energy of his keris and knew that you're the only one who could reverse the process, but he thinks you are not willing to help unless the keris is yours. So the bearer tells you that he will give to you if you promise to take care of the problem.

- the bearer is in deep social trouble and you are the one who could help him. So resentfully you tell him that your favor will cost him his keris.

- the bearer is about to die without successors and you are whom he will entrust his keris with. So the bearer give it to you after he takes your oath.

- you are competing with your brother to acquire a divine keris of your master, and your master performs contests to decide who will be descended the keris.

- you envy the beauty of keris belongs to your brother, your master knows it and promise to give his if only you could accomplish certain tasks, like completing your current level of internal martial art.

- the bearer just give away his keris to you for free as he knows how insanely you love keris, and you politely give something in return, but all you have in your pocket is money of small buck.

- some other things I'll add later.

The bottom line is that mahar is not (the other more polite) language of money. It is a pre-conditions met before you can have what you want, and in many cases the requirement is your commitment. So when the keris is mahar-ed at certain amount of money, it is not mahar-ed at all. It is just for sale ...where common-sense public business policies applies.

[nechesh]

Originally Posted by purwacarita

For a value of Rp.10mil (or more), people will want the best keris with the best isoteric properties feasible, and for the same reason people will want to say their keris have all the properties required.

Just a reality check here. For $1000 USD it is perhaps reasonable to expect the "best keris" that has been NEWLY made in Madura.And i will state this again, some of the finest keris ever crafted are being made TODAY. As for esoteric (i assume this is the word you intend ) properties though, such a keris would probably have none. But fine old keris pusaka such as of the quality which Boedhi Adhitya has been speaking of (which would better qualify for the term "best keris") can cost TENS of thousands of dollars. Some are even worth $100,000 or more. So when someone allows themselves to believe they are receiving a keris of this quality for merely $1000 they are really only fooling themselves. But this is how con men work. They convince you that you are receiving an impossible deal and in a sense, it is the buyers own greed which allows him to believe such a thing is possible. Deep inside he knows better. If a deal seems impossible it probably is.
Now, this doesn't mean that you can't build a very nice collection of nice old keris at a much lower cost. They won't be royal court pieces that belonged to prince so-and-so, but IMO that doesn't necessarily mean they will be void of esoteric properties. I will not argue Boedhi Adhitya's position because i think he is absolutely right from the perspective from which he speaks, but i believe that the concept of keris pusaka exists on a different level outside of the royal courts and that many keris conceived for the more common folk were made to carry esoteric energies as well. Once more, it goes back to the old adage, "Buy the keris, not the story". Your inner being will tell you whether or not a keris is right for you, no dukkuns involved (though i must admit i do like the incense )

[nechesh]

Well Rick, as i said in perhaps a few more words in e-mail, WOOF!!
This is a fine example of the high technical quality of work which is available from modern keris makers and your comment that "ALL fine works of art regardless of culture are prayers in and of themselves and that they are expressions of the divine nature of man." is well taken.
The pamor control on this piece is exquisite and the beauty of it certainly inspires and reflects a bit of the divine in us all.

[Mick]

Rick

Excellent piece. There are very few pamor pendoks out there. Whoever made this ensamble is keeping the art of pamor work up to it's highest standard.

[Alam Shah]

Hi Rick,

Love the pendok more than the keris pamor. Beautiful...btw, where did you get yours?

[Rick]

From the Postman .

[purwacarita]

Hi Rick. It is beautiful fine keris, ...a few hundred years from now it will be beautiful fine old keris. Seems like the maker made it with intention to reflect its own era rather than chemically corrode the blade to make it looks old for dojo vu. Beautiful and honest keris.

Originally Posted by nechesh

Certainly there may be other ways to obtain such a keris that does not demand money, but realistically, that is the most common way keris change hands these days.

Hi nechesh. I'm glad that Indonesia keris have fans abroad whose keris change hands by money. I don't have problem with that. But in Indonesia, it could only be done without forgetting the culture. Culture is still the reason why Indonesian acquires keris, sorry, it is not the money. Such stories told when exchanging the keris is not a bonus after all, and surprisingly is most common told by those who considered trustworthy, so when it's phoney, it's destructible to the culture. Like discussing how the Greeks took advantage of Trojan culture to a victory. It feels creepy to say that the Trojan horse is most common worth the plunder, and still I don't think it's right to conclude to "I fear the Greeks even when they bring gifts" thing. I don't know the latin, but I believe it is the right translation. Well, ...as so many uncountable cities and so many uncountable horses, it will be the challenge to burn the mysterious men in the horses before the horses taken into the cities. For example, keris dapur Jaran Guyang luk 7 is said good for sex driving energy source, and so whoever needs for sex drive should acquire it. Or unyeng Asmaradana in handle that said good for polygamy. What an intention of the mpu, who supposed to have a straight spiritual path. It's not easy to put right this wide spread misconceptions besides above dapur and unyeng may symbolize other sacred meanings. So the dapur and unyeng are better sacrificed to be meant as the misconception, except that it only in most mild sarcastic gurindam to be read, need more sex drive, huh? Settle down yourself before you're settled down, by death, AIDS, or anything bad you deserve, as the blade will loaded with spirit of transquality. Very constructive.

The sun never covered in the clouds, it always shine upon anything in its solar system. The earth rotates and the night blames the sun of running out. When earth covered with cloud of prejudice, please look if you have ignited incense in your mind whose smoke blocks your view to the sun. The third sun is coming from another galaxy. It's already the third! See?

How complicated will you classify keris? More complicated means that you will make yourself difficult to find your dreamy keris.

It is not a challenge to others who has different classifications. Please understand that it is because we are plural that makes the richess of our country.

I classify keris according to my group as follows,
- kadutan, is to see keris as weapon
- pusaka, is to see keris as historical property
- pertimi, is to see keris as spiritual property

The 3 classifications are overlapping one another. You need to make a priority list of the 3 as they are not hierarchical. For example, kadutan is your highest priority, than you should look for properties that will construct a dreamy weapon of your life, inspect for blade metal materials, etc. But once the keris is made, and keep you accompanied for tens of years, it has had historical properties, or it may have saved your life, then it becomes pusaka.

Or when pusaka is the highest in your priority list, then ask yourself, whose history will you treasure with keris, or is it really important if you treasure the history of the President of RI by acquiring his keris for your ego, ...of perdikan?

It is said that if the bearer is committed to something, the spirit of his commitment would induce his keris, though the keris is only either pusaka or kadutan. The induced energy when sealed by the priest could make it lasts longer or stronger. The induced keris is called pertimi. It is the spirit of commitment of the bearer what is in keris, not his soul, and that commitment should be paid by the same commitment of the next bearer under term of mahar, to keep the spirit alive. And the spirit in keris will also influence your spirit, and your spirit will influence your life. In some martial groups, this spiritual keris is then upgraded to supranatural keris, but the keris is still called pertimi.

If pertimi is your first priority, you should look for places where priests could raise spirit of ordinary non-martial men to perform a show which they will be immuned to blade, in full view of public.

In martial world, keris is also gurindam over a remark of remembrance. To remind you of your commitment, or to remind you how vulnerable you are inspite of your mighty virtues. The Bugiswise has it also, to remind the bearer away from thapeler or thalaso. I think that culture will be established after many searches within, but I don't mind if you will take mine, choose which part you like as you consider will make yours stronger. Take it, it's free.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Rick

From the Postman .

Oh! I thought it came from heaven.... Some of mine came from the Customs Office.