Medieval Sword

Croccifixio · 16th July 2016, 05:28 AM

Sorry for the link.

What do you think re: authenticity? This went up pretty fast, and I was tempted because it was a perfect example of the type. But I had a few doubts. It went for way too low if this was authentic though.

CSinTX · 16th July 2016, 07:19 PM

I cant say that's its authentic for sure but in my opinion it looks better than 90% of the medieval swords out there that are sold as authentic.

ulfberth · 17th July 2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CSinTX

I cant say that's its authentic for sure but in my opinion it looks better than 90% of the medieval swords out there that are sold as authentic.

Amen to that !

Reventlov · 19th July 2016, 12:48 AM

There are not many surviving swords with decoration on the pommel, not to mention on the cross as well... I find it a bit suspicious that the decoration seems so similar in technique (but much poorer quality) to one that Cerjak shared recently.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21156

Croccifixio · 19th July 2016, 04:53 AM

I also read a recent discussion about fakes from eastern europe from a few reknowned sword makers (Peter Johnsson in particular gave his input)... This one, however, doesn't have the usual indications. Except for the pommel engraving, which I've seen on what some would say a clear fake. If this is not authentic, then it seems very well made. The proportions are correct for the period albeit a bit more pointed than usual. The flare at the blade shoulder is a nuance seen in really good historical finds. Overall it just looks so good that I'm drawn to the conclusion that someone got very very lucky getting this for below 5 grand. With a bit of cleaning this can be museum quality I think.

If, of course, it is authentic.

stekemest · 19th July 2016, 01:11 PM

There's an inscription on the blade. Can you provide better pictures of it?
Decorations on pommel and crossguard are a bit odd. Looks pretty good otherwise...

Reventlov · 20th July 2016, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Croccifixio

I also read a recent discussion about fakes from eastern europe from a few reknowned sword makers (Peter Johnsson in particular gave his input)... ... This one, however, doesn't have the usual indications. Except for the pommel engraving, which I've seen on what some would say a clear fake. If this is not authentic, then it seems very well made. The proportions are correct for the period albeit a bit more pointed than usual. The flare at the blade shoulder is a nuance seen in really good historical finds.

I've seen the same or similar discussions so I think we are more or less on the same page on that front. The point about the flare on the blade is a good one. Can you share any photos of the possibly fake engraving that you have seen, for the sake of comparison?

I am also very curious to see more of the inscription; what I think I can see in these photos also leave me with some misgivings. The letters appear to be the larger, earlier style that would have been iron-inlaid, as opposed to later, finer inlays in silver/latten/etc. This early method of inlay seems a little odd combined with the "pointy" blade shape that you mention. It looks like the tip of the blade may even have a diamond cross-section, generally a later feature, though commonly appearing in lower quality modern reproductions of early swords.

As far as I can tell, there does not seem to be any inlay left in the letters... Peter Johnsson has mentioned this as a potential red flag for possibly faked inscriptions.

The inscription seems to start with a circular medallion-like ornament, with a raised shape/character in the middle. Overall, it seems quite similar to the ornaments on the pommel. I have notes, photos, and diagrams of hundreds of inscriptions and have never seen an ornament inlaid in this way. So... I just have misgivings.

If you could, please send me the link to the auction as a PM... I think that is within the rules!

16th July 2016, 05:28 AM	#1
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	Medieval Sword Sorry for the link. What do you think re: authenticity? This went up pretty fast, and I was tempted because it was a perfect example of the type. But I had a few doubts. It went for way too low if this was authentic though. Attached Images Last edited by Croccifixio; 16th July 2016 at 02:00 PM.

19th July 2016, 12:48 AM	#4
Reventlov Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 132	There are not many surviving swords with decoration on the pommel, not to mention on the cross as well... I find it a bit suspicious that the decoration seems so similar in technique (but much poorer quality) to one that Cerjak shared recently. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21156 Attached Images

16th July 2016, 07:19 PM	#2
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	I cant say that's its authentic for sure but in my opinion it looks better than 90% of the medieval swords out there that are sold as authentic.

19th July 2016, 04:53 AM	#5
Croccifixio Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 33	I also read a recent discussion about fakes from eastern europe from a few reknowned sword makers (Peter Johnsson in particular gave his input)... This one, however, doesn't have the usual indications. Except for the pommel engraving, which I've seen on what some would say a clear fake. If this is not authentic, then it seems very well made. The proportions are correct for the period albeit a bit more pointed than usual. The flare at the blade shoulder is a nuance seen in really good historical finds. Overall it just looks so good that I'm drawn to the conclusion that someone got very very lucky getting this for below 5 grand. With a bit of cleaning this can be museum quality I think. If, of course, it is authentic.

19th July 2016, 01:11 PM	#6
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 182	There's an inscription on the blade. Can you provide better pictures of it? Decorations on pommel and crossguard are a bit odd. Looks pretty good otherwise...